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08-18-12, 09:33 PM
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Re: memory
I never assume any thing. I have biology text books you can read if you want me to send some to you to glance over? Have you taken courses in bio zoology?
Think about this, an amoeba a sing celled organism, how does it know how to preform biological fission? I know, they have base memory also known as insticts.
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08-18-12, 09:47 PM
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Re: memory
Taking courses in bio zoology doesn't make you an expert at everything, for there is always more to be learned.
I haven't taken those courses, i'm 18, and am just getting into college.
This doesn't make me clueless.
Until you show me clear, detailed evidence saying snakes have absolutely nothing other than instinct based off of experimental tests on behaviorism, I stand by my speculations.
Instinct can only take an animal so far.
Can instinct be the sole cause for stress, fear, hostility, or tolerance?
Just today at an expo i saw several hundred snakes, amongst those several dozen columbian boas, adult and hatchling. Of all of those, only one of them looked any different from the rest due to stress and the high activity around it. It was the sole snake who was actually getting stressed to the point of hostility, constantly hissing and when it couldn't hiss anymore the little hatchling sat there with it's mouth agape and looking threatening in defense. it watched me, and while I talked to the owner about it I moved my fingers over his container - i didn't touch or bang on it, that would've been stupid - and his eyes were very clearly following me and the closer my hand was the more irritated he seemed and the wider his gape became.
Tell me, if instinct told every snake to do every thing the same, why would some snakes react differently in a heavy crowd? Why would some snakes be able to be held while others couldn't?
Instinct, I believe, is the little 'voice' in our heads that tells us to do things and we cannot help but doing them. This instinct is virtually the same within every species - and only certain conditions would block these instinctual messages (for instance in humans, the desire to copulate being blocked by a tumor in the area of the brain that controls sexual urges).
If snakes lived purely on instinct they would be on a lower level than many insects....And their brains are, literally, microscopic if they have one.
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08-18-12, 09:48 PM
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Re: memory
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Originally Posted by Jay
They're lacking the brain capacity, my reptiles seem smart compartment to most involved in this thread.
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I thought name calling and bashing was against forum rules...
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08-18-12, 09:53 PM
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Re: memory
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I thought name calling and bashing was against forum rules...
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What name calling?
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08-18-12, 09:57 PM
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Re: memory
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columbian boas
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Col ombian boa.
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08-18-12, 09:58 PM
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Re: memory
...you don't have to go all grammar nazi to make yourself seem smart ;P
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08-18-12, 09:58 PM
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Re: memory
I am really tired of arguing the same point over and over again can we please just agree to disagree. And btw if it's not to late for you take a class in bio-zoo and learn a little about brain structure and purpose. Now is everybody done here?
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08-18-12, 10:06 PM
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Re: memory
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Colombian boa.
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my mistake, haha. Automatic spelling. my mom lives in columbia county oregon with her boyfriend, so I write columbian not colombian >.>
Snakeman12 - I wasn't trying to get you to change your mind, I swear.  I said it before in this thread - I was stirred into deep thought and pondering and was sharing. you're entitled to believe what you want - as am I. As for taking the bio-zoology classes... Unfortunately i'm an Art fart, and while I'm curious beyond belief with animals and what makes them function, I plan to become a concept designer (as in games and movies, comics, books. )
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08-18-12, 10:08 PM
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Re: memory
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...you don't have to go all grammar nazi to make yourself seem smart ;P
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You don't have to go all defensive, because you sound dumb. 
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08-18-12, 10:11 PM
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Re: memory
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Originally Posted by Kaetlinv
my mistake, haha. Automatic spelling. my mom lives in columbia county oregon with her boyfriend, so I write columbian not colombian >.>
Snakeman12 - I wasn't trying to get you to change your mind, I swear. I said it before in this thread - I was stirred into deep thought and pondering and was sharing. you're entitled to believe what you want - as am I. As for taking the bio-zoology classes... Unfortunately i'm an Art fart, and while I'm curious beyond belief with animals and what makes them function, I plan to become a concept designer (as in games and movies, comics, books. ) |
No problem auto correct is a pain. I like how you didn't take ofence 
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08-18-12, 10:11 PM
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Re: memory
That's a great career choice. When I was 18 I wanted to become a graphic designer but that didn't pan out so I took bio, pre-med, and bio-zoo and 4 years got me no where[ shrugs]
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08-18-12, 10:19 PM
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Re: memory
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No problem auto correct is a pain. I like how you didn't take ofence |
Well i knew I was wrong and it's not something to throw a fit over. i try and be accurate with spelling - the reason i'm not a nazi with it is because I don't have a colombian, haha. If I had one I assure you I would be correcting folk just as much as you do. I like knowing my stuff. :3 I often annoy my family to their wits end with how much I talk about BP's... Went today with my older half sister and she was amazed at how many species I knew, and I still have nothing on most of the 'veterans' here >XD
I love working with animals - that will be my back up if my concept work falls through and can't land a job for my designs. I love studying animals - a lot of the 'species' I create for worlds have real advantages and faults based off of animals we have. Anatomy is inspired by real animals to, despite the 'magical' qualities they have.
Make the unbelievable believable.
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08-18-12, 10:21 PM
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Re: memory
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You don't have to go all defensive, because you sound dumb. |
...my snake is bigger ;D bahahhaah. I was really just messing with you, btw. dunno if you caught the sarcasm or not. hard to portray over the interwebs.
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08-18-12, 10:29 PM
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Re: memory
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Originally Posted by snake man12
That's a great career choice. When I was 18 I wanted to become a graphic designer but that didn't pan out so I took bio, pre-med, and bio-zoo and 4 years got me no where[ shrugs]
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Shocking given your understanding of neurobiology.
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08-19-12, 01:20 AM
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Re: memory
jarich, after 16 years on the internet you're the most well spoken and well written person i've ever read! I always enjoy when you post.
Kaetlinv you too, are doing a great job of taking the high road consistently. I think that's really awesome.
ibaman you're on my good list too...hehe plus i thought baman an piderman was pretty cute.
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