I DONT want that snake........

[KORBIN5895]

You better buy some caramels ( or ist it toffees that Corey was talking about? ) then Shaun!

[Dranix Paremoon]

I'm pretty much in the same boat as everyone else. I think small snakes are cute and wouldn't mind taking them in if they needed it, but I enjoy heftier snakes, not too big though. There are gorgeous giants out there, but I am with the whole thing on safety, I want snakes that are a good size, but not so big they'll give me an extra big hug one day and do me in. Venemous also out of course, that's my policy for most pets, nothing gigantic or venemous, just in the medium range is where I like it with my Royals

Only giant pets I have on my list right now are dogs and eventually an iguana.

[exwizard]

Ok, for me, anything I cant handle I dont want. That rules out ETBs, GTPs, any hot and most giants but burms, if they are handled frequently when small, theyre some of the most docile of all the giants.

In Iowa, Rock Pythons, Anacondas and Retics as well as any hot is totally banned anyway, so that falls pretty much in line with my opinions on this issue with the exception of retics. It is possible to get a docile retic and I have seen some.

Since handleability is right at the top of what I want in a snake, I must repeat my bottom line in this to stress its importance to me... "If I cant handle the snake, I dont want it!"

[red ink]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

one of the reasons i want a black headed python is for its cannabilistic nature.the bhp would be fed any misformed hatchlings

the bhp is a snake eating snake,so i have no problems feeding it prey thats natural to it

imo its mother nature doing her thing

cheers shaun

If your just want a hatchling recycling service mate, womas will do the same. BHP are better at it cause their bigger but if it's just hatchos then either of the Aspidites will happily do the job for you. I have a mate that used to breed lizards but kept one SA woma (large form that can get close to BHP size) for that reason, it's the only snake he was ever interested in. Lots of breeders here recycle animals.

[knox]

I am not into Ball Pythons because they are too slow and boring for me. Hots and Giants are a given that I don't want.

(Colubrids are perfect)

[jaleely]

ahha, shaun! Hubby asked me the other day if i knew of a breeder who took the unwanted babies and had like, a cobra or something that they fed the babies to. I knew there was someone out there who would do it!
AH, mixed feelings on that. Leaning more towards, why breed them if you KNOW you're going to have stock that is a waste? Do you really make that much money off of the others that it's okay to have them created with all that energy, and then just kill them?
I don't think it would be worth it to me.

Now, I'll expand this a little. It's my opinion that there is no reason to breed ANYthing (including anyONE) if you know that the offspring is going to have neurological disorders, or health issues. WHY cause a thing to be born that is going to have to deal with it's issues all of it's life, or have someone else deal with it, or at the most, that you are going to turn right around and kill?

That is just..to quote Star Trek...illogical.

I haven't bred anything though. Maybe there is some kind of high i am missing. Everyone for ball pythons anyway, seems to be out there to "create" (inbreed, discard, use energy and snakes and their energy) a new morph so they can have their legacy, or the credit. Morphs are not being bred to enlighten, or heighten, or better the species. BPs are not even being bred to choose what personality traits, habits, or intelligence the animal has and could pass on. It's all color! That is just... a waste.

It's very easy for me to sit on my high horse though, i agree, but you'd have to point out some facts for me as to why it's beneficial for me to see your point or change my mind!

Okay so back to snakes i don't want. I agree with what someone else said, that i don't really like the look of snakes that don't have a neck right behind their head. I DO however, like kenyan sand boas. I'm not that into king snakes. I don't see a need to own one, anyway, not saying i wouldn't.

I would own a devenomized snake. I'm not really afraid of being bitten. Willow, do i want to know how hard it is on the snake for them to do that? Surely it's just a matter of anesthesia and then that's it. Kind of like getting your tonsils out? lol

[Gungirl]

Originally Posted by jaleely

I would own a devenomized snake. I'm not really afraid of being bitten. Willow, do i want to know how hard it is on the snake for them to do that? Surely it's just a matter of anesthesia and then that's it. Kind of like getting your tonsils out? lol

IMO and from what I understand... Most times a snake has simply had its fangs ripped out. No anesthesia or anything. I also am fairly sure most of the time they can grow them back. I also don't think it has anything to do with people having a fear of being bitten but more that they have respect for the snakes power.

There is one company that does it the "right" way but I don't know much about them so I will stick with my thoughts as posted above.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by red ink

If your just want a hatchling recycling service mate, womas will do the same. BHP are better at it cause their bigger but if it's just hatchos then either of the Aspidites will happily do the job for you. I have a mate that used to breed lizards but kept one SA woma (large form that can get close to BHP size) for that reason, it's the only snake he was ever interested in. Lots of breeders here recycle animals.

i don'ty really like the look of womas,i dont like the colors on their faces.i feel they look more like giant worms than snakes

bhp's though look incredible

cheers shaun

[SpOoKy]

i don'ty really like the look of womas,i dont like the colors on their faces.i feel they look more like giant worms than snakes

I agree Shaun, they kinda creep me out

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

You better buy some caramels ( or ist it toffees that Corey was talking about? ) then Shaun!

it would be the coastal carmel morph if we're talking carpets

toffee's are ball pythons and i'm not sure if you get toffe corns ?

cheers shaun

[red ink]

Originally Posted by shaunyboy

i don'ty really like the look of womas,i dont like the colors on their faces.i feel they look more like giant worms than snakes

bhp's though look incredible

cheers shaun

I have the same problem with them mate, from the neck down I think their fantastic specially some of the locality specific specimens like RHDs and sandfires. Unfortunately from the neck up I cant get over those bloody Groucho Marx eyebrows lol.

I need a snake with the Aspidites patterns but the head of a Morelia. One endearing things about womas thopugh is their behaviour. They wag there tails when foods around and when you place them in a sand environment they make mounds with their bodies and burrow (I think that's pretty cool).

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by jaleely

ahha, shaun! Hubby asked me the other day if i knew of a breeder who took the unwanted babies and had like, a cobra or something that they fed the babies to. I knew there was someone out there who would do it!
AH, mixed feelings on that. Leaning more towards, why breed them if you KNOW you're going to have stock that is a waste? Do you really make that much money off of the others that it's okay to have them created with all that energy, and then just kill them?
I don't think it would be worth it to me.

Now, I'll expand this a little. It's my opinion that there is no reason to breed ANYthing (including anyONE) if you know that the offspring is going to have neurological disorders, or health issues. WHY cause a thing to be born that is going to have to deal with it's issues all of it's life, or have someone else deal with it, or at the most, that you are going to turn right around and kill?

That is just..to quote Star Trek...illogical.

I haven't bred anything though. Maybe there is some kind of high i am missing. Everyone for ball pythons anyway, seems to be out there to "create" (inbreed, discard, use energy and snakes and their energy) a new morph so they can have their legacy, or the credit. Morphs are not being bred to enlighten, or heighten, or better the species. BPs are not even being bred to choose what personality traits, habits, or intelligence the animal has and could pass on. It's all color! That is just... a waste.

It's very easy for me to sit on my high horse though, i agree, but you'd have to point out some facts for me as to why it's beneficial for me to see your point or change my mind!

Okay so back to snakes i don't want. I agree with what someone else said, that i don't really like the look of snakes that don't have a neck right behind their head. I DO however, like kenyan sand boas. I'm not that into king snakes. I don't see a need to own one, anyway, not saying i wouldn't.

I would own a devenomized snake. I'm not really afraid of being bitten. Willow, do i want to know how hard it is on the snake for them to do that? Surely it's just a matter of anesthesia and then that's it. Kind of like getting your tonsils out? lol

for me,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY,i would give hatchlings away for free if someone wanted to give them a good home,with exception of my diamond pythons

for me breedings about producing the highest quality example of something,because i want to keep the best looking carpets possible

owning a snake eating snake and feeding it snakes.....

is no different than feeding rodents to a non cannibilistic snake

or feeding eggs to an egg eating snake

the truth on my part is,feeding unwanted hatchlings to a cannibilistic snake is not cruel,it makes sense and allows me to justify it to myself (just being honest)

the carpet market is saturated with bellow average unwanted carpets,why put more out there,when there is a snake who's natural diet is other snakes ?

re jaguar neuro issues
its only 5 to 10% of jags that have neuro's,to me thats an acceptable risk(just being honest)

i respect your opinion,although it differs from mine pal,but i don't think theres anything i can say that makes it benificial or that will change your mind

for example
i am horrified at the thought of someone devenomising snakes and find it totally UNATURAL

where as a cannabilistic snake,eating another snake is mother nature at her best

we keep preditors,why is it so different feeding a rat,mouse,gerbil,guinea pig than feeding it another snake ?

i'm not argueing,and i'm happy to debate the subject pal

re ball pythons and morphs
the fancy ball morphs and carpet morphs imo have done wonders for the hobby,its brought lots of new snake keepers to the hobby.so imo its wrong to label it " a waste "

cheers shaun

[red ink]

Most JAG sibs end up being BHP food here, being the land of Morelia they have little to zero appeal to us here.

It's not openly said in public as you get a lot of "Ohhh the humanity" type responses on a forum.

There are some really nice looking sibs around but when spoilt for choice then they end up at the back of the line or in the stomach of a content BHP.

[shaunyboy]

Originally Posted by red ink

Most JAG sibs end up being BHP food here, being the land of Morelia they have little to zero appeal to us here.

It's not openly said in public as you get a lot of "Ohhh the humanity" type responses on a forum.

There are some really nice looking sibs around but when spoilt for choice then they end up at the back of the line or in the stomach of a content BHP.

i agree totally mate

in real life i try to be straight talking,up front and honest with folk,i am the same on forums

i see NO wrong in feeding a cannabilistic snakes other snakes,imo its no different to feeding rodents as prey

imo for every really nice looking sib,there are 100 ugly ones

so as said it keeps my concience clear,hell i know breeders who euthinise unwanted hatchlings and throw them in the bin.that i feel is a waste

cheers shaun

[SpOoKy]

so as said it keeps my concience clear,hell i know breeders who euthinise unwanted hatchlings and throw them in the bin.that i feel is a waste

A total waste, I agree with feeding off snakes, believe me if i kept corns I would be breeding to feed off to my monitor. it is all nature, some people keep mice and rats as pets so I don't see how they can be okay for food but not snakes. Nothing in life should go to waste. I 100% respect your view