nile's invade florida

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Tea, ignore him, its not worth the hassle when he post only to get a reaction.

I'm only posting to get a reaction? Is this even a serious post? I'm posting in a monitor thread, about monitors, based on FACTS. Go ask these things on varanus.nl/repticzone and you'll get the exact same answers that I'm giving you.

I'm trying to educate someone with next to no monitor experience on how these animals work, and somehow that's getting a reaction. You're clueless and I hope neither of you ever own a monitor as your ignorance is far too much and you'll end up killing it in short order.

[Herpeton]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i'm over it lol. my point was you can handle your monitor occasionaly to somewhat frequently with no reprocussion if it doesn't stress hard. i was just disagreeing with his point that people may never get to handle their monitors ever, it's really not a big deal.

i guess if i've never owned a corn snake i'm not allowed to post about them, damn.

you are forgetting the main word here, he stated MAY not touch they're monitors, yes some specimens or species in general are more tolerant to interaction, but they do NOT enjoy it, reptiles in general do not like being held or caressed or anything involving interaction. But some of which are quite tolerant. If you would like your monitor to be the happiest it could possibly be, do not go in the enclosure just to "pull it out". The only interaction that SHOULD be done with varanids is during feeding and cleaning, any other time is just stressing the animal out.

And your point about a monitor being on a leash and seeming to love life???? I do not understand, how can you tell a monitor is loving life?? Did he develop a larynx? lol

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

I'm only posting to get a reaction? Is this even a serious post? I'm posting in a monitor thread, about monitors, based on FACTS. Go ask these things on varanus.nl/repticzone and you'll get the exact same answers that I'm giving you.

I'm trying to educate someone with next to no monitor experience on how these animals work, and somehow that's getting a reaction. You're clueless and I hope neither of you ever own a monitor as your ignorance is far too much and you'll end up killing it in short order.

Pretty much everything you have posted has raised reaction and you know what you are doing. As for you now judging my experience without knowing me - i have not made any comment about monitor husbandry so pull your neck in.

[Jay]

I'm going to have to agree with Dehlida, he is posting nothing but FACTS. This forum is turning into a cheap soap opera. This person has valuable and interesting information, stop ganging up on him HE is not the one in the wrong. You are in titled to an opinion but if you have no FACTS then don't post gibberish.

[TeaNinja]

having fun jumping on the idiot bandwagon?
the only thing i debated was his opinion about handling monitors, not any of his many facts that you all love so much. i already said agree to disagree posts ago but you have to keep knitpicking stuff. i disagree with him, that's the end. like i said, it's not a big deal, which all of you seem to be making it.

how about this dehlida, instead of questioning my experience and knowledge and poking and ranting for like 10 posts, why didn't you casually give me some of your "facts" and explain why your opinion is correct. i obviously still have yet to get it.

[Jay]

Re reed his posts, he clearly explains it. Again you are resulting in uneducated, disrespectful insults "The Idiot Bandwagon" I still don't understand why you are posting your information about Var. when your studies are strictly bias based, and inaccurate. I understand your dire respect for our Mod (you have brought up a few times) Defending how he takes HIS sav out. I hope you know that is his decision to risk several unfortunate events. I have taken mine out in the past he appears to enjoys it. (I know this from experience) I also know from extensive studies that in fact the sav does not enjoy being dragged from his "home" put in a different environment and having this giant creature following him. I highly doubt where Wayne lives he had a 130 basking area? I also well assume from waynes research he was not out for long. In conclusion we are all in titled to our own opinions but FACTS are Facts and you are nothing but the Follower, sir.

[TeaNinja]

lol sorry, i was just ranting at this point. i'm done with it though.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Pretty much everything you have posted has raised reaction and you know what you are doing. As for you now judging my experience without knowing me - i have not made any comment about monitor husbandry so pull your neck in.

I post proper husbandry for a varanid species. It causing a reaction is only further proof that the vast majority of people have the wrong view of monitors in general. No one would have a problem if I came on here and posted a picture of my 6 foot nile on a leash down on my ranch- despite the fact its irresponsible and bad for the animal itself.

I'm not doing anything other than try to show proper husbandry for a very misunderstood animal. I don't need to know you at all, nor your experience. The fact you think I am stating simple facts to get a reaction proves your ignorance.

Originally Posted by jay0133

I'm going to have to agree with Dehlida, he is posting nothing but FACTS. This forum is turning into a cheap soap opera. This person has valuable and interesting information, stop ganging up on him HE is not the one in the wrong. You are in titled to an opinion but if you have no FACTS then don't post gibberish.

It's extremely sad that I post an educated opinion that is scientifically sound and I get bashed for it, but I guess when people are told "touching your monitor/iguana is not best for it" they tend to get a little upset and defensive.

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

having fun jumping on the idiot bandwagon?
the only thing i debated was his opinion about handling monitors, not any of his many facts that you all love so much. i already said agree to disagree posts ago but you have to keep knitpicking stuff. i disagree with him, that's the end. like i said, it's not a big deal, which all of you seem to be making it.

how about this dehlida, instead of questioning my experience and knowledge and poking and ranting for like 10 posts, why didn't you casually give me some of your "facts" and explain why your opinion is correct. i obviously still have yet to get it.

Idiot bandwagon? My opinion is based in hard facts. I'm not knitpicking or "arguing". Your opinion of monitors is not valid at all- and it's extremely important that anyone who reads your posts does not get the wrong idea and end up keeping the animal wrong leading to an early death. You don't have experience with monitors, nor their handling, so why even bother debating it?

Originally Posted by jay0133

Re reed his posts, he clearly explains it. Again you are resulting in uneducated, disrespectful insults "The Idiot Bandwagon" I still don't understand why you are posting your information about Var. when your studies are strictly bias based, and inaccurate. I understand your dire respect for our Mod (you have brought up a few times) Defending how he takes HIS sav out. I hope you know that is his decision to risk several unfortunate events. I have taken mine out in the past he appears to enjoys it. (I know this from experience) I also know from extensive studies that in fact the sav does not enjoy being dragged from his "home" put in a different environment and having this giant creature following him. I highly doubt where Wayne lives he had a 130 basking area? I also well assume from waynes research he was not out for long. In conclusion we are all in titled to our own opinions but FACTS are Facts and you are nothing but the Follower, sir.

So this opinion is all based around the fact infernalis takes his savannah out? While his bosc is very healthy looking, I would still argue that it doesn't need to be out, and would do better inside the cage with less interaction. Does this mean I'm bashing Wayne? Not at all.

I think everyone here has gotten the wrong message. I'm not trying to get a reaction out of people. I'm trying to show educated facts about monitor husbandry- an area of our hobby so poorly known and misunderstood. Anyone who has no experience with varanids has no place acting like they do in this topic. Period.

[TeaNinja]

Originally Posted by Dehlida

You don't have experience with monitors, nor their handling, so why even bother debating it?



So this opinion is all based around the fact infernalis takes his savannah out? While his bosc is very healthy looking, I would still argue that it doesn't need to be out, and would do better inside the cage with less interaction. Does this mean I'm bashing Wayne? Not at all.



Anyone who has no experience with varanids has no place acting like they do in this topic. Period.

wayne is NOT the only one i've seen walking his monitor around. and i like how you enjoy dragging up how LITTLE TO NO experience i have with monitors and their handling when you don't even know me or what i've done and had experience with. i've told you like 6 times i've had a decent amount of experience watching and handling them. i don't know the specifics of their husbandry, but i know that many monitors can be handled just fine.


you guys can stop posting now.

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

wayne is NOT the only one i've seen walking his monitor around. and i like how you enjoy dragging up how LITTLE TO NO experience i have with monitors and their handling when you don't even know me or what i've done and had experience with. i've told you like 6 times i've had a decent amount of experience watching and handling them. i don't know the specifics of their husbandry, but i know that many monitors can be handled just fine.


you guys can stop posting now.

Playing with your friends monitor, or interacting with one at a zoo is not "experience" unless you own adult monitors and have successfully kept them for multiple years you DO NOT have monitor experience.

Watching and handling LOL, what kind of experience is that? Let me guess you've handled some babies your friends have kept- and ended up dieing in short order due to stress. Wouldn't surprise me. You still have no experience with monitors despite your claims.

[TeaNinja]

once again you're letting your rambunctious assumptive mind get the better of you. a few people i know have adult monitors that are healthy and happy and if you don't learn anything by observing, you're pretty dumb. i don't just kill my pets, that's your job

[Dehlida]

Originally Posted by TeaNinja

once again you're letting your rambunctious assumptive mind get the better of you. a few people i know have adult monitors that are healthy and happy and if you don't learn anything by observing, you're pretty dumb. i don't just kill my pets, that's your job

So let me get this straight.

From your signature you own a whopping 3 snakes. All 3 of which are beginner snakes. You can't manage any form of proper grammar or sentence structure. You claim to "know" people with adult monitors (where are these people what species do they have?). Yet just by observing you can come up with all of these facts?

Clearly those of us who own monitors ourselves are in the wrong. The guy with 3 reptiles, 0 monitors, and zero experience working with them long term in person as captives knows more than us.

You're delusional, anly educated varanid keeper would tell you the exact same thing. I'd be willing to bet your "friends" either don't exist or have improper husbandry as well, as no respectable keeper would feed you this nonsense you're posting.

[marvelfreak]

threadhijacked.gif Can we end the childish 3rd grade arguing? Your both just keep BangHead.gif. It just make me want to vomit.gif How about getting back to the topic.

[TeaNinja]

i think it's funny that you keep making this a big deal and saying the word FACT 100,000 times. i never once interjected FACTS. the only thing i said in the beginning is i disagree with your opinion about not handling them. agree to disagree and get over it you little girl.

and if you're yatching about spelling and grammar and saying you AREN't a forum troll. wake up and smell the denial.

i'm done with your punk ***

[Jenn_06]

ok its time to just close this its not going anywhere at all.