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Old 12-20-04, 11:05 PM   #61
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As said, its only our fault. If you know there are aligators in the lake in the first place, why in the hell would you swim in it? Its stupidity..... If we were to move him to a zoo, we could move him to one away from hurricane area if that would make people feel "safe". Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Old 12-20-04, 11:08 PM   #62
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getting water to feed your family is a far cry from swimming in a gator pond.
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Old 12-20-04, 11:11 PM   #63
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I dont see why you would still get water froma gator infested area, surley humans can find better water sources

Murder the croc or not, it will not bring back the lost lifes...... Revenge is not an excuse for murder....
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Old 12-20-04, 11:34 PM   #64
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I agree Chuck, I really do not care as well.
What was done is done, complaining about it will only turn into nothing but more complaints. What I am saying, (And I'm saying this because this is what I think, I could careless what anyone else wanted to hear.) I highly doubt this animal was a strict human hunter. That's my only argument.
This 16' animal would have no trouble taking down a Wildebeest, Zebra, Or anything else that came to the water. The teeth serve nothing but grip and the animal has plenty enough to hold onto the animal in question, and being hit full strength by this animal would bring just about anything down that cared to face it. Man came to the water more frequently than anything else, all they seen were food in an often visited place. Not because they were Man.

I'm just saying it is not a "True" man-eater one would label an old lion or leopard. If you'd rather shooting an animal, that's fine too. Personally, I'd rather have the animal in my care if I could have done that. Baiting and shooting is just as easy as baiting and trapping.
To each his own.
-Though, I would have figured walking a few meters to either side would have been better getting water than death, since it's already known there's a large animal in that area..

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It ate 3 kids and 2 women (not kidding) before they could get him.

ok, there is my evidence that it was, where is your evidence that it wasn’t?
I'm sure they wouldn't have mentioned anything else it has eaten...

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maybe a nest was near by and the croc felt threatend
Doubtful; Males do not guard nests.

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If captured, it would be a constant treat to its keepers and any other people it came in contact with
It is after all a crocodile..

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Murder the croc or not, it will not bring back the lost lifes...... Revenge is not an excuse for murder....
Heh, this reminds me of Batman when Robin comes into play..

Living along the Nile, you have many choices of areas you cared to get water. You can also irrigate the waters, as many of the tribes have been shown to do so. You have to bathe, you have to drink, you have to fish, all understandable. They did what they felt needed to be done. That's cool. I would have went about it differently, but that's me. There are many different choices that could have been done. However, the only thing that gets me is it being a man eater. It's a Nile crocodile. Any Nile of size, if given the chance will take it's luck. Just because it has eaten a human does not mean it will be a greater risk in captivity than another Nile. My 6'ers would have me killed if I gave them the chance. Neither this nor my animals are trying to kill because of the species it's after. Food is food and if you're dumb enough to drink from the same area crocodiles are known to be, my friend, you are food. Now if the animal came escapading through the village, hey, I would have a different vote but that's not the case. Each time a man was taken, it was in his territory.

As though I have the same faith, Chuck, I will still react to someone's actions on something that I feel could have been different.


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By the way, who has the story on this, I can't seem to find it.
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Old 12-20-04, 11:50 PM   #65
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i do feel for the family i strongly disagree with teh murder of the croc. the saying "2 wrongs dont make a right" comes to mind.

jsut proof that humans are a VERY hard species to co exist with.

people are liek teh guy at work that is big tuff and is never wrong. everytign is justified and everythign in his actions is right.

if i came to your bathroom sink to get water would you let me be to happily bath and gather? we to kil for food, do we see a group of chickens coming to get revenge on there babies death?

we are as much food as any other organic thing on this earth. sure when its something close to you it hurts, but the difference between human and deer is probably very little to the croc...jsut a matter of which tears apart easier.
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Old 12-21-04, 12:20 AM   #66
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Also well put!
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Old 12-21-04, 09:16 PM   #67
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I'm new around here but couldn't help but comment about many of the responses this thread has recieved. First I'll say that I care about animals and their well being(been there done that ) But when it comes to them or us well the animals get the short end.

Some here say well gee don't go near where it's eating your friends or build whatever to protect yourself from the big lizard ! or take it to a zoo or transport it to lala land. Or whatever .

It's funny to read these comments but really sad as well to see how far most people are from any real understanding of wild animals. Look at it this way if it was in your neighborhood you'd be freaking out!! You can say what you will but the truth is you'd want the man eater disposed of right NOW. Some say well take it to a Zoo, well one thing is taking something that big and keeping it safely it's a bit different then one that size that grew up in capitivity. And besides who are any of us to complain or cry out about how other people deal with their problems like that. Which one of you could have gone and gotten it and brought it home to play with your kids??(I'm almost sure someone will say they would of lol) Sure we are responsible for taking care of this planet but that doesn't mean we let it eat us!

We have to manage the wildlife be it shooting the deer to keep them from overpopulating and eating your flowers or killing a big Croc that is eating people one thing about it once an animal kills a human it knows we are easier prey and has to be destroyed.

Sure it's to bad such a grand ol animal had to kill someone and thus have to be killed in turn. From the looks of the animal it was on it's last leggs anyway probably the reason it killed those people couldn't catch much otherwise.
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Your forgetting we are animals as well.... Infact were the animals which have ruined this planet, there was peace until we arrived.
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Old 12-21-04, 09:30 PM   #69
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Yup, and long after we've raped the planet and burned ourselves out of existence the animals will still be here.

Not necessarily the same ones, but nature has a way of keeping things going.

People have said we're overdue for the next mass extinction. It started a few million years ago, we're just getting up to speed.
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Rikki, where do you get your information? First off, we were here first and the animals came second. And there has never been piece in nature. The law of the jungle is eat or be eaten.

Zane, I normally agree with most of what you say….but you are off base on thinking there is no difference between a normal crocodile and a man-eater. There is quite a difference. Take for example the croc attack video. I am sure everyone here has seen that. The croc never tried to eat the Chinese guy. The attack was defense. If it had been this Nile, he would have tried to eat him. In keeping any big croc you run the risk of an attack, but most crocs want to avoid human contact, one that has associated you with food will not avoid the keepers, it will stalk and attack them. Croc teeth are not designed only to hold. That is alligator teeth. Gators take small prey that they can swallow whole. Croc’s teeth are designed to rip and tear. They kill large prey, then rip it into bite size pieces. This old guy couldn’t do very much ripping with what he had left.

Hey guys, anyone that knows me, knows I would love to take in that 16 foot man-eater and keep him in my back yard. But its not practical. Alligator Adventures put 1 million dollars into bringing that 20 footer into the US. It would take at least that much to get this big boy over here. There is no funding for that. And once here, is it responsible to keep a known man-eater? Sure, you can keep him north of the hurricane section, but earth quakes can hit anywhere at anytime. Hell, I truck could lose control and run thru the croc wall, then you have that beast in your neighborhood. The expense of getting him to captivity is not practical and the keeping him is irresponsible. It had to be killed and even deep down, PETA knows that to be true. =)
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For those who think people should be removed from the planet(animal rights goal) I wonder how many who say that would be the first to step up to take the pressure off the planet??? Or step up and offer yourself to a croc who is hungry but is past his prime and can't hunt well any more? I know you think you should be one of the few left to enjoy it right watching the wolves play ball with the deer. Like I said It is really sad how so many have no idea.

But we don't want that to happen but we don't have a realistic answer to the problem either!! Yep were all animals but I'll tell you this I'll get upset when some other animal eats a friend or family member and I'd bet my last dollar every one of you would too. You'd be holding the torch on the monster hunt. Guess I'll not be around this board long lol

Take a look at PETA.com

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haven't seen anyone here say that yet. care to quote?
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This planet would be so much cooler with out us on it. Jeff Favelle's post


umm this came from the second page of the thread and a few post above you'll see it implied as well as in other post. Yep I did read them before making that comment. Ah it is so very sad to see . Does anyone remember when the whales were traped in the ice in the artic ocean years ago?? millions spent trying to save them, natives wondering why all the fuss about food!! funny how it doesn't seem to concern people when it's the reverse
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White southern males are a minority on this site. Our way of thinking is generally frowned upon. But so long as you don’t threaten anyone, or talk about religion or politics, they will let stay around. They have kicked me out a time or two, but always let me back if I promised to do better. Haha. Funny thing is, these left wingers will tell us how wrong we are and stupid our way of thinking is….but any thread we are involved in will get massive attention. I think in secret, they wish they could be us. =)
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Okay, maybe it's semantics, but I didn't see anything about removing us... just the fact that it would be better for the planet if we never were.

I do see your point though.

I fall into the "category" of people who believe it would probably have been better for a lot of species if we never were here, but that it doesn't really matter in the long run because we're probably not a permanent fixture in the universe. Our species is having a grand time of it right now, but things change.

Nature will be rid of us and our ecosystem wrecking ways eventually.
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