PITBULL ban is happening today - Page 5

~Suntiger~ · 10-15-04, 11:18 PM

Back to the bit about "news stories strewn with pitbull attacks"...ever think that it's because that's what whoever owns the paper/TV station wants you to hear? or that it's what people want to read/hear about? Which paper would you buy, the one that features a story with a happy ending on the cover, or the one with the blood and gore?

Shad0w · 10-15-04, 11:19 PM

There is an inherent difference marisa... I dont see many burmese walking down the streets....

I do however see far too many dog owners without their dogs on leashes....

Just two weeks ago I posted on this board that I had saw a gent walking down sherbourne in toronto with a pitbull... off leash allowing the dog to chase down squirrels....

That dog could in any second charge down someones kid and tear him/her apart...

Thats just not going to happen with a burmese....
There is no inherent risk to the public because the snakes are not in public places...

You want a pitbull?? fine.. but dont take it out in the public... keep it in the basement of your house.. just like u do a burm

marisa · 10-15-04, 11:23 PM

I want to know what you people think will happen when another breed of dog bites someone next summer.

You think it's ok to ban that breed next, or not?

Marisa

Shad0w · 10-15-04, 11:24 PM

Marisa,

The govt already said.. they are going after all "dangerous agressive breeds"

That means if you have a shepp that has a habit of trying to take a chunk out of the neighbourhood kids... you could very well lose that dog...

Believe me.. I know what yer saying.. and I feel for the responsible owners... I really do... but dog owners did this to themselves.... well a few bad apples did

Wow this topic sure brings out allot of emotion in people...(totally understandable as Im sure you guys are fighting for your companion animals)

marisa · 10-15-04, 11:25 PM

Yeah THAT dog.

They are BANNING pit bulls. But if a few shepherds attack someone next summer, they owners will be punished but that breed won't be banneD? Why? Where does it start and stop?

Marisa

Shad0w · 10-15-04, 11:27 PM

They also talked about slamming breeders too... bringing in some sort of control... which is wise... there are many good things they braught up... that I think will help the dog community in a whole...

Breeding needs to be controlled... and unless you are a licenced breeder... your dog should be "fixed"

It would stop the back yard breeders from screwing up the breeds for profit

marisa · 10-15-04, 11:27 PM

The bottom line for me is this. I have a small but aggresive breed of dog. And frankly the only reason she cannot kill someone is because of her small size.

But if they were to say my dog is being banned because of a death, but another breed is not when that breed has also killed, I would be PISSED. And I see it as 100% unfair, biased and a "easy clean" for the government.

Bring on the rules!

Marisa

Shad0w · 10-15-04, 11:29 PM

Sure its an easy fix... to retrain people, which I think would be impossible... is too hard and complicated...

I know where yer comming from... I just know what I went through when I was attacked by a large pit mix... and like I said.. I sure would not wish that on anyone... Now a small dog.. meh... no biggie.. so it breaks some skin... at least its not going to rip out my throat

Kimo · 10-16-04, 12:11 AM

Mykee...No relation? are you blind buddy? does everyone here remember a certain story not to long ago, about someone keeping a large burmese in their bathroom, and it escaped, and was missing for two weeks, and they found it in the attic of the apartment building??? what if that snake was out cruising the hallways, when someones lil 2 year old child was out playing, make no mistake a 15 ft snake, would make short work of a 2 year old, even a 10 year old, may not be able to eat it, but sure as hell can kill em, how many other horror stories has this community heard about escaped snakes? and you think this isnt the same????? you have got to be so dence! to think it's not the same!!! and we are all so quick to condemn them for not taking proper care of their snakes, but we wont support a reptile ban will we??? man, open your eyes, and see the relation here, your jumping down the throats of owners like me, who keep our dogs responsibly, your acting the same way uneducated people act about reptiles...pfft and you say theres no relation, what a joke!

Josh

Heres a pic of everyones most feared monster, he's the one on the left, his name is Havoc, and he's a PURE BRED AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER!!!! the one on the left, is a boxer mix, but just as speacial!!! now...everyone notice the size of him? he's 2 years old and pretty much done growing, he's about the size of a beagel...pretty pathetic eh? and your all afraid of him? i'd be more afraid of a freaking lab, or great dane, hell even a mastiff, no wait a sec, im more afraid of a chihuaha they have razor sharp teeth like a cat!! ouchy! LOL oh, and for those of you who are thinking to bring up the locking jaw thing? it's a myth! no dog has a locking jaw, they just have strong jaws, thats it, but this guy, yeah barely fits around your arm! and that my friends, is what a real "game" bred pittbull looks like SMALL and SLEEK a real monster if you ask me!

RepTylE · 10-16-04, 12:48 AM

This has been a hot topic to be sure. I don't agree with bans at all be it guns, dogs, reptiles or cigarettes. Freedom is taken away one morsel at a time not in huge bites. Bans should be decided by the people by vote. If there is a regional issue about banning something put it on a ballot during municipal elections and let the people decide. The provincal government has no business in the issue in the first place. in my opinion.
If anything the provincial government should ban special interest groups trying to lobby their interests and concerns and bypassing the democratic process.

mykee · 10-16-04, 01:08 AM

Kimo, what if, what if, what if! What if that burmese sprouted legs and started doing the can-can through the hallway!? Didn't happen. Simple. Pittbulls ARE eating kids and other dogs. Did happen. Simple.
By the way, I'm only "jumping down the throats" of irresponsible dog owners, why do you feel the need to jump on that grenade? Also, nice looking pittbull. HAVOC was it? Exactly my point. FYI, my LABS, (that you'd be so afraid of) are named Willow and Kayla. No testosterone running through those names. Real killers though. Twice the size of your dogs; 85 & 88 pounds respectively. Size means nothing. I would never be anywhere near as fearful around an ill-tempered Wolfhound as I would around a pitti.

Just for the hell of it, my two killers:

beagle · 10-16-04, 05:44 AM

Sad for sure.
I think that bannes affect everyone wether you think so or not, just another bit of our freedom taken away. If you think that our hobby of keeping reptiles isn't going to be affected one day like this, think again. There are a hell of alot of people out there who would love to see snakes banned just like they already are in some communities. Just like how pitbulls started being banned from community to community. To alot of people a snake is a snake and the only way to limit people with snakes is to ban all snakes. I can see this happening with alot of exotics.
Someone also posted that aggresion has been bred into them for thousands of years. I am not going to touch the topic of aggresion being bred into them, I know what they have been bred for and how they have been bred and from everything I have read it is no thousands of years but maybe a couple hundred. This ban is going to cause some breeders to do it underground and force people who really want them to aquire them illegally.
Mykee, from what I read it sounds like you think your labs are almighty but there are also some bad labs. Labs are one of the dogs I have been bit by a couple of times and the bites drew blood everytime. Earlier this year my 2 year old niece was bit by their so called freindly golden lab which was a great family pet for many years. It drew blood and caused alot bruising. Two weeks later the family asked me to put their dog down for them cause it could not be trusted anymore. If it was my dog it wouldn't even of had the luxury of those too weeks. I have no use for dogs that bite, pitbull, lab or shitzu. Anyways any large dog has potential of doing harm and now that the pitbull won't be in Ontario (legally anyways) 20 years down the road what dog do you think people will train to guard or for whatever reason they need it for. I think any big dog is going to be game and that is because this ban just targeted dogs and not owners and in no way is trying to produce good owners, which is going to lead to the more popular breeds being used cause there are going to be no more so called aggresive dog breeds.
Well another ban and more restrictions, I think Russia is looking like a pretty good place to move too.

Todd

Vengeance · 10-16-04, 06:27 AM

I don't see the corralation between baning pitbulls and baning reptiles. Is there even one documented case of a captive reptile attack on the genereal public in the province of Ontario? How about a death caused by Captive reptile in all of Ontario to the general public? I don't think I've ever heard or seen one. So I don't see how you can compare one to the other, their are documented cases of dog related deaths in Ontario, I think as far as the politicans are concerend they are trying to protect the general public. But then again I like this fence that I sit on because I don't like having freedoms taking away. But I think the goverment would be hard pressed to take away a reptile ownership without some related attacks in Ontario. I'm sure people are going to argue "it on takes one attack" but I find that hard to beleive as well. This action was only taken after numrous attacks, not just one. So there would have to be quite a rash of reptile related attacks in a short span of time in order for something like this ban to come about.

RepTylE · 10-16-04, 07:22 AM

The point is not if reptiles have been documented as attacking people or injuring anyone. You can't argue away the fact that a great many people have an almost instinctive aversion to reptiles. The ban could occur just as much from distaste as it couild from an actual incident where someone is injured. You walk down the street in the height of summer with a ten foot burn slung over your shoulders and see what happens....if it made the papers then it would be a 18 ft burmese and stories about that species being capable of killing a grown man.
Tell me I'm wrong.

chailatte · 10-16-04, 07:55 AM

Pit bull attacks are a bunch of media hype. If a dog attacks someone, its a "pit bull attack", regardless of the actual breed. I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find a registered American Staffordshire Terrier that attacked anyone. The kind of losers that think its cool to have a mean dog generally have big ugly mutts they brag are Pit Bulls. I have had four pit bulls and they have been the most laid-back, congenial animals I've ever had. There were two that literally never growled( even when playing tug-of-war with chew toys) in their entire lives. The kids could sit on them, pull their tails, whatever, and they stayed happy as could be. Now Chows, those are mean vicious animals that should be banned. And of course, all venomous snakes should be banned, that goes without saying. And definitely ban collection of any wild animals.