37 killed from Marijuana - Day of legalization in Colorado

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I know other drugs only stay in the system for short periods of time...that is why I took him to the ER when he would come home in his "states"..there were times that he was very violent and making death threats, punching holes in walls, etc...I was concerned about bath salts, etc...but nothing showed up but alcohol and weed...he apparently can't tolerate either one...its getting him to stop that is the problem...he also had ADHD and ODD...can't keep him on meds until he gives up the drugs anf alcohol...tried a few different ones and he had reactions because of his abuse issues...I couldn't call off work to stay home with a sick kid, but I couldn't leave him alone because he snuck out to get more...his PO will now not allow him to be medicated because he has a substance abuse problem and they are all controlled substances...fighting a losing battle and I feel even more helpless since he now doesn't live with me...

Do you know what could have caused these personality issues? We don't need to continue this if you don't want to since it's a personal topic, but what was his relationship like with both his parents before this outbreak? These symptoms are most definitely not caused by the use of marijuana. Weed doesn't turn people into violent, stealing psychopaths with anger problems. If anything these problems stem from elsewhere and people will use drugs to try and run away from them. But the reality is, no matter how many drugs you take the problems don't go away.

[Sharlynn93]

Pm me tomorrow mikoh...I have no problems discussing my son...just not completely public and I need to sleep tonight for another 12 hr day tomorrow...any insight I can get from anyone is helpful since apparently the limited resources around here aren't helping....

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I know other drugs only stay in the system for short periods of time...that is why I took him to the ER when he would come home in his "states"..there were times that he was very violent and making death threats, punching holes in walls, etc...I was concerned about bath salts, etc...but nothing showed up but alcohol and weed...he apparently can't tolerate either one...its getting him to stop that is the problem...he also had ADHD and ODD...can't keep him on meds until he gives up the drugs anf alcohol...tried a few different ones and he had reactions because of his abuse issues...I couldn't call off work to stay home with a sick kid, but I couldn't leave him alone because he snuck out to get more...his PO will now not allow him to be medicated because he has a substance abuse problem and they are all controlled substances...fighting a losing battle and I feel even more helpless since he now doesn't live with me...

I hope you don't think I meant anything from what said, that wasn't my intentions at all. I wish the best for your/his solving of the problems he's had.
I'm very opposed to add medication personally. I've had very bad ADD my entire life and Have tried multiple medications when I was younger; only to stop taking them as they made me feel not myself. I've learned to deal with it as time has past. Not saying that will work for him, just speaking from personal experience. Once again I wish you the best, and hope that things can be resolved.

[Sharlynn93]

no offense taken..my daugher has ADD..she had major developmental delays because of it...even got held back (by me) for a year which put her in the same grade as her sister...she went on meds in 4th grade and they helped her focus enough that she learned how to pay attention and we took her off of them in 9th grade....she graduated with honors, president of the marching band (which is HUGE here)..has a full time job with benefits, bought her first car, etc...I do not think she could have done this without the meds...she was a total wreck until then...so I do not discount medication...but I don't advocate making them dependent on it...just as a boost to help them get on the right track...she still has her "oooh a butterfly!" moments, but all in all, she is an AMAZING young woman!! very proud of both of my daughters and how far they have come in life..despite all the pitfalls we have encountered over the years...just wish my son could come around now...

[infernalis]

The sheer numbers of people passing this around on facebook that think it's real is nutty.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by infernalis

The sheer numbers of people passing this around on facebook that think it's real is nutty.

Lol that's where I found it. I know many people don't have a lot of time for t.v but cmon... It's Breaking Bad and Lost!

[formica]

Originally Posted by Sharlynn93

I know other drugs only stay in the system for short periods of time...that is why I took him to the ER when he would come home in his "states"..there were times that he was very violent and making death threats, punching holes in walls, etc...I was concerned about bath salts, etc...but nothing showed up but alcohol and weed...he apparently can't tolerate either one...its getting him to stop that is the problem...he also had ADHD and ODD...can't keep him on meds until he gives up the drugs anf alcohol...tried a few different ones and he had reactions because of his abuse issues...I couldn't call off work to stay home with a sick kid, but I couldn't leave him alone because he snuck out to get more...his PO will now not allow him to be medicated because he has a substance abuse problem and they are all controlled substances...fighting a losing battle and I feel even more helpless since he now doesn't live with me...

as someone who has lived with ADHD, and has tried every ''medication'' under the sun, I would say to you that ADHD meds are FAR worse than cannabis, far far FAR worse! some of them completely messed my mind up. The only medicine which improves my concentration, is cannabis, but as with every other medicine, it has side effects, but they are minor compared to the standard meds prescribed for ADHD

tbh he just sounds like an average teenage boy, I doubt there are many men on this forum alone who havent punched a wall a two while they where growing up, or gone off the handle for no apparent reason, its what hormones do, doesnt need alcohol or weed to set it off.

he'll find his way, he just needs to figure out how he can channel his energy...dont force him to take adhd meds, you are not doing him any favours.

[TheZoo]

just my thoughts as a 16 in a school full of druggies, people do change from doing it. ive seen intelegent young men and women turn in to stupid careless dumb bunnys. they steal, they sell, they get tickets and they dont contribute to society one bit. Im not saying everyone shouldnt be alound to because there are people who can smoke/take it and still be a responsible adult. while people may not die directly from weed ive seen my own stupid friends brake bones from being so baked they fell down the stairs or tried to drive. Ive tried it myself and all i felt was stupid and I just dont see why people would want to feel stupid...just my 2 cents not meaning to offend anyone.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by TheZoo

just my thoughts as a 16 in a school full of druggies, people do change from doing it. ive seen intelegent young men and women turn in to stupid careless dumb bunnys. they steal, they sell, they get tickets and they dont contribute to society one bit. Im not saying everyone shouldnt be alound to because there are people who can smoke/take it and still be a responsible adult. while people may not die directly from weed ive seen my own stupid friends brake bones from being so baked they fell down the stairs or tried to drive. Ive tried it myself and all i felt was stupid and I just dont see why people would want to feel stupid...just my 2 cents not meaning to offend anyone.

Same can be said for alcohol. Don't drive while intoxicated! However alcohol still should be legal for responsible adults, as should weed.

Also weed doesn't "change" people. People like that in highschool would be the same way with anything. Cigarettes, weed, alcohol....etc. It's just something they use because they think they are being cool...etc. Would have been "douchebags" eitherway.

That's not what smoking weed is about for responsible adults who use it recreationally. It's not about getting high and causing trouble.

Just like having guns is not about being in a gang and shooting people for looking at you the wrong way, or for robbing people. For responsible adults it's for protection. However, someone can decide to use a gun to murder someone and now people want guns banned for everybody.

A bad batch will always ruin things for the rest of us.

just look at the Herp community. Incidents like the New Brunswick African rock python killing make things look bad for me and you, even though we are responsible herp keepers. However the media will portray us as being the same as those who are not. And because of incidents like these people try to make owning exotic pets illegal.

It's out of ignorance, fear, and hatred. Wanting to ban weed, reptiles, guns....etc. It's all the same.

[formica]

yep all teenagers turn into douchebags, its just the way hormones work in our greedy self-centered society

driving while stoned is massively selfish and irresponsible - actually legalizing and controlling cannabis would reduce this particular problem amongst young people, because far fewer eople under 21 (or 18) would have access to cannabis, and most accidents involve people within their first 3 years of driving

[Mikoh4792]

Yup and the thing is, banning does not do anything but unnecessarily turn people into criminals. How long as marijuana been illegal? Look at the amount of people who still use it. Now that it's legal in Colorado people can still use it but without breaking the law.

US tried banning alcohol. Look at that turned out.

[Lankyrob]

I would love to smokemit for pain relief but whilst my daughter is living in my house i cant smoke it inside and if i smokemoutside i risk being caught, and i wont put my family through that.

[Sublimeballs]

Originally Posted by Lankyrob

I would love to smokemit for pain relief but whilst my daughter is living in my house i cant smoke it inside and if i smokemoutside i risk being caught, and i wont put my family through that.

Rob, for you I would suggest eating it or vaporizing it. Eating it would probably be best in your case with your daughter around. If you like smoking more though Id look into getting a storz and bickel volcano vaporizer(not sure on the spelling). There is no smoke produced only vapor that fills a bag with a mouth piece on it. You have control over what temp it's vaped at(higher temps bring out more of the therapeutic qualities). Look into it it's much better for you then smoking.

[Lankyrob]

Originally Posted by Sublimeballs

Rob, for you I would suggest eating it or vaporizing it. Eating it would probably be best in your case with your daughter around. If you like smoking more though Id look into getting a storz and bickel volcano vaporizer(not sure on the spelling). There is no smoke produced only vapor that fills a bag with a mouth piece on it. You have control over what temp it's vaped at(higher temps bring out more of the therapeutic qualities). Look into it it's much better for you then smoking.

If i had it i would smoke it, i always enjoyed it when i was younger. The biggest issue is getting hold of decent quality stuff and having it in the house, being caught with it would be problems with my disability benefits (our only income) as well as my daughter seeing me in trouble with the law.

In the future it is possibly something i would try and if it became legal or available on prescription then i wouldnt have an issue smoking outside.

[robertjnovak59]

I like debates about legalizing drugs. People on both sides are pretty passionate about their beliefs. I think there are a lot of misconceptions about drugs out there that sway people one way or the other. Personally, I think spending billions to criminalize drug use is as rational as using the drugs recreationally. Its like flushing money down the toilet.