Purpose of Having Venemous Snakes?

[reptilesalonica]

I know MANY people who handle their giant snakes alone, and have never been struck at. I don't know anyone who free handles their hots who hasn't been struck at. Why? Because boids are not as dangerous. They are not as aggressive, and the odds of them attacking are slim to none. Prove me wrong.

Of course you are wrong, because one that handles alone his giant Boid, doesn't mean that this giant cannot harm him...
On the other hand (like GreggM replied) these hot keepers that risk their lives by freehandling their hots are on their own!...
And these people are not far away from those you mentioned that they handle their giants alone!
This is irrisponsible.
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This quote is just another classic example of hot keeper elitism. You somehow think that just because you have a hot, you're SO much more knowledgable than anyone else who observes from the outside.

I never claim that! Sorry but i don't belong to that class.
All i want is to go with the FACTS.
You never own a Hot~You don't know how it feels like KEEPING and not HEARING from here and then about hots. Then, we couldn't speak in the same level.
Btw you didn't read what i was saying previously in this topic

I don't want to pet any ears and make it sounds like it's easy owning venomous snakes. It's not and venomous snakes are not for everyone-not claiming, on the other hand that i am something special, but i see irresponsible people a lot

It's simple man.
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The bottom line is this: I can free handle my giants. You can't free handle your hots. And you're saying this makes your hots less dangerous? Well, I'm sorry. You're wrong. You free handle, you WILL be bitten. I free handle, there is an extremely small chance that I will be bitten. Ergo, your hots are more dangerous than giants.

Funny how easily jump to conclusions!
No, maybe you want to get over it easy but your thought is not "the bottom line".
I have wrote previously the reasons for handling giants and hots.
~Greg~

[Mustangrde1]

The point is with precautions and tools and trainning and EDUCATION that keeping hots is realitively safe. However freehandling is not a safe practice by any means. The comparring of Hots to large boides was as an illistration that i beleive was taken out of context. Any animal can be safely handled with all the afore mentioned Knowledge.Granted there are still risk no matter how many precations you take and lets face it , If it has a mouth it will bite.

Show me one hot keeper that has a better than everyone attitude and i will be more than happy to rip him /her a new one.NOONE ABSOLUTELY NOONE IS An expert of all mighty status.Anyone who thinks they are has a serious ego check needed.I myself no matter how much i know or learn would call myself an expert I like to think of myself as a student with bright eyes and a wonderful world in front of me to learn from ,and at times teach others.

[Zoe]

Greg (greek guy), what Invictus is saying is that yes, its recommended you handle giant boids with another person (or more), and its also recommended that you handle hots with hooks. Would you agree?
Okay, so now you have two people. First guy handles his 13ft burm by himself. The second free handles his rattle snake. Bottom line, the second guy is at a bigger risk than the first guy of being seriously injured, would you agree?. Lets say now that both these snakes decide to bite. The first guy suffers a helluva bite that hurts like mad. The burm may let go, he may strike repeatedly, or he may hold on, in which case the guy needs to go dunk the snake's head under water. The second guy gets bitten, and if he doesn't have quick access to antivenom, thats it for him. Would you agree? Yes, its possible the burm decides to CONSTRICT the guy, too. Not very likely, but possible. In which case he has a chance to pull the snake off him, but he's probably in for it, too. Right?
So what's the conclusion this modest, non-hot keeping herp lover has reached? That both snakes are dangerous, but a venomous snake is more so if they are both keeping kept by not-so-knowledgeable people.

Now should I get started on how your corn snake / hot comparison is very invalid? lol, nah

Zoe

[T.O-SK8TER]

I think it is better to compare the way they kill there prey. What is more lethal venoum or constriction, we must take anti-venoum and C.P.R out of the scenario, once the venoum is in you it is in you thats it! Constricting you have less than 2 minutes to get the snake off you, kill it, alcahol, water etc. The fact is the venoum you have no time to get COMPLETELY out of with out the anti-venoum and with the constricting a little under 2 minutes to do at least something.

[Bryce Masuk]

"under 2 minutes" go educate yourself not ALL venom is the same not all species have a neurotoxin based venom
If you know what your doing in both cases a Large boid is more dangerous then a hot. keeping a hot away from you with a hook is much easyer then keeping a 200+ pound snake away from you even with 2 people is no easy task un wrapping it from someone is insanely hard facts are hots kill inexperianced people or idiots hot defend themselves when needed How much of the news from countrys where people live in the bushes is going to get on tv not much or none but when a kid in florida picks ups a pygmy rattler and gets bit is it going on tv you better belive it
Large boids can kill experianced handlers a hot will not bite you if maintain correct handling procedures many dont and they die because of it

keeping a diamond back away from you with a hook is much different then a 20 ft retic personally i would rather have the diamond back at me because you can keep it off and a way with a stick or a hook try that with a retic even with two people its no easy task

[T.O-SK8TER]

Hey Bryce learn to comprehend literature, 2 minutes L.O.L. I said you have this amount of time untill you die from constricion NOT THE VENOUM please read carefully what people write and next time you might not be so quick to jump on my *** telling me to go educate myself. What I wrote was completely logical and I have lots of educational movies to back me up. Another thing I was discussing what happens if you are attacked not how experienced you are it is irrelevent in the discussion on how dangerous these animals are.

[Bryce Masuk]

Sorry I blended this into it "once the venoum is in you it is in you thats it!" no its not Many people have been biten and not died. no one has been constricted and magicly came back alive. getting a snake off someone isnt easy in two minutes either. not everyone carrys a knife (I do though ) alchol doesnt always work water nearly never does the most viable option is to remove the snakes head or break its spine

"I was discussing what happens if you are attacked not how experienced you are it is irrelevent in the discussion on how dangerous these animals are."
True you were but if you dont act like a idiot the chances are with a hot that you can stop them from biting you
while stopping a Large boid is much harder
and removing them is even harder
I was talking about stopping the "attacker" IMO it is relevent because if you can stop the "attacker" you wont have a problem in the first place

Edited to add a large boid can also break your bones during constriction causing a rib to punture your lung then death is nearly guarented
and people can hold there breath for up to 6 minutes while 2-4 is more common and you heart continues to beat for another 2 or so miniutes after that

[Zoe]

Bryce - ah, but being killed a constrictor is extremely rare! In fact, I believe more people are killed by venomous snakes than by giants.

Also, your brain can go without air for about 3 1/2 minutes (and since the constriction would force any air out of your lungs, there would be no oxygen reserve to rely on even for a few seconds). After that you start to die. And yes, a boid can break a rib, but even IF it goes into your lung death is not nearly guaranteed. Not even close, many people recover from punctured lungs. Of course, they recover if they haven't been been killed by something else already.

And no, not all venom kills in 2 minutes, but if you're alone, get bit, and don't have fast access to a phone a/o anti venom, or if there is no anti venom at the nearest hospital, you can kiss your butt goodbye.

Zoe

[T.O-SK8TER]

BRYCE: Acually constrictors can not break bones and this is fact because the preasure is sread out all over the body, the way you would die is your blood would stop circulating. It does not matter how long you can hold your breath, you will be unconscious in a little under 2 minutes, please dont asume what happens when a boid kills, you are giving others faulse info. LOL I had to edit this so it was made out to Bryce cause Zoe snuck a thread in there before I was done writing mine!

Zoe- I read that your brain works for a little over an hour after you die, is this true?

[Zoe]

Yes, there are still active neurons in your brain for quite a long time after you die. it doesn't mean that are you alive, or can be revived, though.

I think a giant boid probably COULD break a bone, but I don't think it happens too often. i mean when is the last time you heard "crunch crunch" when you feed a mouse to a snake?

But yep, you are right. Your brain stops recieving blood and air when you are being constricted, and it has nothing to do with how long you can hold your breath.

Zoe

[T.O-SK8TER]

So do you think we can use are brain when we are dead, for example knowing in your mind you are dead or thinking about loved ones etc.?

[Bryce Masuk]

Being killed by a Large constictor is Rare AS FAR as you know are there any Native Large species of constictor in The us or canada
nope are there any native vens Damn right there is how many people are bitten there homes by pets not too many how many are bitten by wild snakes most of them do they have any hot experiance or any snake experiance at all for the most part no

Holding your breath is nearly the same thing because the oxygen is consumed in a short period of time especailly when your heart rate rises

And MANY people have been bitten in the middle of nowhere with no anti venom and lived people I have talked to have also been biten by snakes that have no anti venom that person is still alive
People have been bitten by black mamba's with no anti venom and lived

And a smart hot keeper keeps anti-venom on hand no matter what
so that problem isnt a problem

Puntured lungs often kill pending if it goes completely though both sides of the lung and the person it happens to. and puntured lungs are rare from constriction

unconscious and dead are two differnent things you cant set a time on someones death because ALL bodys are different
Constictors CAN break bones I have seen it before and i dont doubt i will see it again

Imo A Smart hot keeper is far safer then a Smart large boid keeper but a dumb hot keeper is dead while the large boid keeper may escape

[T.O-SK8TER]

So you what dissected the rat after the snake killed it, come on man this is pure myth. I have seen X-ray footage of what happens when a boid kills.

[T.O-SK8TER]

The man bitten by the Black Mamba had a pump I would not count it.

[Bryce Masuk]

Actually it was a mouse and I first heard a crunch then blood poured out of its mouth and some of its organs were sent out of its mouth

not in this case he had no pump however he did take a belt and cut the circulation off from his arm to his body