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11-06-13, 01:27 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
really don't like the cooling idea, 8 years ago it was my goal to handle, i'm just not bothered now!! more interested in the power they can exert & the feeding response & i just like watching them going about their business. 
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11-06-13, 02:07 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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really don't like the cooling idea, 8 years ago it was my goal to handle, i'm just not bothered now!! more interested in the power they can exert & the feeding response & i just like watching them going about their business. |
I think at the very least it could be useful to reduce stress in certain situations, eg very agitated monitor requiring a vet visit - but in terms of ''taming'' ( i use the term loosely ) I'd agree that it probably shouldn't be a first option
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11-06-13, 02:10 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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really don't like the cooling idea, 8 years ago it was my goal to handle, i'm just not bothered now!! more interested in the power they can exert & the feeding response & i just like watching them going about their business. |
100 percent agree ... I think if u can't build trust or ur moni isn't up for it then that's how the cookie crumbles ... IMO to cool the animal to make it more placid is not cool but each to there own ya knw ....
Just not my bag
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11-06-13, 02:10 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
how many monitors do you have formica?
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11-06-13, 02:12 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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I think at the very least it could be useful to reduce stress in certain situations, eg very agitated monitor requiring a vet visit - but in terms of ''taming'' ( i use the term loosely ) I'd agree that it probably shouldn't be a first option
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Don't think it would limit stress in anyway tbh
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11-06-13, 02:28 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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Don't think it would limit stress in anyway tbh
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when an animal can be examined and treated with as little forceful handling as possible, and is not thrashing around, potentially risking injury to itself and the handler - i think it is reasonable to say that stress has been reduced for the animal - no one is saying that it is a perfect solution tho.
darting an aggressive monitor, to examine and treat it, could be said to be less stressful, but it is also much more dangerous.
pinning an angry monitor to the ground to examine and treat it...would that not be considered significantly more stressful?
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11-06-13, 02:38 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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when an animal can be examined and treated with as little forceful handling as possible, and is not thrashing around, potentially risking injury to itself and the handler - i think it is reasonable to say that stress has been reduced for the animal - no one is saying that it is a perfect solution tho.
darting an aggressive monitor, to examine and treat it, could be said to be less stressful, but it is also much more dangerous.
pinning an angry monitor to the ground to examine and treat it...would that not be considered significantly more stressful?
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1. I hope no body would dart a monitor of any size or sp .... Far to risky
2. The chances are if it the problem with the mo I to start with cannot be rectified with good husbandry the moni will b in such bad shape u will not need to cool it for it to b placid
3. If it is in such bad shape it's going for a vet trip the cooling is not going to help the poor bugger ... It's basically another shock to a already hurt system
Yes pinning a moni to the ground is very stressful but if the beast is that lively why does it need a vet ?
Monis are very hardy and well bounce back from many health issues with correct husbandry and I knw this may not always b the case but subjecting a monitor to a unnecessary vet trip cooling or not is not good
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11-06-13, 02:42 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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1. I hope no body would dart a monitor of any size or sp .... Far to risky
2. The chances are if it the problem with the mo I to start with cannot be rectified with good husbandry the moni will b in such bad shape u will not need to cool it for it to b placid
3. If it is in such bad shape it's going for a vet trip the cooling is not going to help the poor bugger ... It's basically another shock to a already hurt system
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there are many reasons why a vet could be needed, which have nothing to do with husbandry, some of which (for eg serious wounds, prolapse, broken bones etc) would be made worse, or perhaps even go from serious, to life threatening injuries, by a highly active and agitated animal resisting a visit to a vet
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11-06-13, 02:46 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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there are many reasons why a vet could be needed, which have nothing to do with husbandry, some of which (for eg serious wounds, prolapse, broken bones etc) would be made worse, or perhaps even go from serious, to life threatening injuries, by a highly active and agitated animal resisting a visit to a vet
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Prolapse would b husbandry .....
Broken bones and severe wounds would also b husbandry .....
Unless u were handling a aggressive monitor and dropped it from a great height ...
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11-06-13, 03:04 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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Prolapse would b husbandry .....
Broken bones and severe wounds would also b husbandry .....
Unless u were handling a aggressive monitor and dropped it from a great height ...
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so you are suggesting that no monitor ever needs to be restrained and taken to a vet?
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11-06-13, 03:05 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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so you are suggesting that no monitor ever needs to be restrained and taken to a vet?
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Not at all .... I'm nearly suggesting that cooling may not b the way to go ...
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11-06-13, 03:11 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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Not at all .... I'm nearly suggesting that cooling may not b the way to go ...
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i think its situation and animal specific, I'd agree that in most cases it probably isn't the best option - that said, on the less extreme end of 'cooling', I dont think i'd let my monitor bask @ 150F if i knew I was going to be heading to the vet with him that day lol
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11-06-13, 03:14 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
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i think its situation and animal specific, I'd agree that in most cases it probably isn't the best option - that said, on the less extreme end of 'cooling', I dont think i'd let my monitor bask @ 150F if i knew I was going to be heading to the vet with him that day lol
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True id put him in the gold plated leash and walk him ...
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11-06-13, 03:26 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
Tbh I've always been vet lucky with the fact I have vet friends who will come round to visit wen ever and also I can get my medsand good advice from work so I suppose I have never been in the situation ur broken bones
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11-06-13, 04:25 PM
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Re: Hands-on handling, positive and negative experience question
Even if a monitor had been basking at a surface temp of 150f by the time you get to the vet and treatment starts the monitor`s core temp will have dropped significantly and it should be relatively "calm" (unless the vet lived next door, of course, in which case you wait for 30 minutes or so)!
How on earth do they cope with large nervous domestic dogs or cats?
If the animal was deliberately cooled for any length of time (even a few hours) it`s immune system is compromised, how is that in the animal`s best interest?
All the above mentioned maladies as has been stated ARE "husbandry" related.
Vets normally do NOT "dart" sick captive Varanids (shoot them with a dart gun)!?
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