Euthanasia - Page 3

RandyRhoads · 02-13-12, 11:57 PM

You guys must have very weak tolerances or mines really high. There's no way a weak anesthetic like N2O puts me to sleep, especially at the concentration a dentist gives it in. Fentanyl citrate and Midazolam, oh yea.

insignia100 · 02-13-12, 11:59 PM

Dentists use N2O as an anxiolytic, not for inducing unconsciousness. The concentration used by dentists is much lower than that.

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 12:02 AM

I know, but in reference to it inducing unconsciousness in myself, it doesn't work. Even at much higher doses than used in dentistry.

insignia100 · 02-14-12, 12:08 AM

Perhaps you do have a higher tolerance. You do need a very high concentration compared to modern inhalant anesthetics (70%).

Caylan · 02-14-12, 12:44 AM

I got so far into reading this thread I couldn't remember the orignal post lol. CO2 is great for rodents. A good setup we used was a rubber maid bin with a hole in the side and hose with a fitting stuck in. On the bottom of the rubber maid bin was a piece of light diffuser/ Egg crate. This keeps the rats/mice, off thier urine when they sleep so to speak. No wet rodents to freeze and cleaner ziplocs are awesome. Then I arrange the rodents on a cookie sheet with their tails curl in towards their bellies. I can't stand rodents sticking together and having to literally break limbs off because they froze with their hands interlocked... so the cookie sheet though optional, highly reccomended. Just palce the sheet in the freezer, wait a night, pour them into a bag. Awesome.
As for the actual process, I was a little worried at first, but they really just get drunk and fall over or to sleep... I hate to say it but it's almost comical.... You will feel better doiong this after a while when the alternative is bonking them.... I really don't like that... but very effective done properly as well. I've had pet rodents growing up all my childhood, and my one hamster literally got me through some really hard times, so I hate killing rodents, but it must be done. I hope this helps the original post, continue on with the chemistry though, maybe in a new thread however, Its really gotten interesting as well lol. Thanks, Caylan.S.

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 01:34 AM

Don't feel bad. I still find certain things comical when mice get envenomated by my rattlesnakes. Sometimes they do very odd things I didn't think was possible.

WHen you talk about this rubbermaid were you just using dry ice? I'm still interested on the OPs design using a cO2 with a regulator. I kinda want to rig something up with NO2 and see how it effects feeders. Maybe it would make live feeding not dangerous for the snake or painful for the feeder, depending on them getting it before the half life of the NO2.

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-12, 01:39 AM

Hmmm. Maybe I should clarify a little bit. When placing rodents into a plastic container I pack them in. Like I said five mice into a 5"x5" container. Those mice tend to pass out in less than a minute. As far as the rabbit in a bucket goes my bucket is a 5 gallon with a rubber pour spout. I hook an old vacuum up to the pour spout to remove the air. Also did I mention that I normally just break their necks?

@skumbo
Yep. You're wonkey in the head

! I don't do cold. Period. I have swam the wolf river in Wisconsin at the end of March. The problem is the kid I was swimming with for carried about 100yards down river because he was too cold and couldn't swim anymore. Thankfully he got caught up in brush and I was able to pull him out. I also spent two weeks "camping" in the winter. All I had for supplies was a sleeping bag, fire starting items, cooking utensils and weaponry. I was cold alot those two weeks and will never do it again.

Strutter769 · 02-14-12, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

Don't feel bad. I still find certain things comical when mice get envenomated by my rattlesnakes. Sometimes they do very odd things I didn't think was possible.

WHen you talk about this rubbermaid were you just using dry ice? I'm still interested on the OPs design using a cO2 with a regulator. I kinda want to rig something up with NO2 and see how it effects feeders. Maybe it would make live feeding not dangerous for the snake or painful for the feeder, depending on them getting it before the half life of the NO2.

I'll have to look back to give credit where it's due, but someone in this room (well, ya know) gave this link, and the drawing was the inspiration for my chamber. I promise pics of my version tomorrow... I mean later today.

DIY – Euthanasia :: Metal Monkey Exotics

Strutter769 · 02-14-12, 01:49 AM

Caylan - I understand the reason for the egg crate would be, although I don't know what a diffuser is. Are you saying to use like a cardboard egg crate to absorb the mess, or something with small channels in it for the urine to drain away from the pups?

KORBIN5895 · 02-14-12, 01:57 AM

Diffuser is that 1"x1" plastic or aluminum material they put on over head fluorescent light fixtures.

Caylan · 02-14-12, 02:01 AM

I was using a CO2 tank with a regulator myself. Full blast until they wobble, then slow trickle until they sleep, then theres more then enough CO2 in the bin to finish the job within a minute usually. The Tank was already set up when we got it, not sure what you need help with on the regulator part, as far as installation I'd be useless help unfortunately...
Rattlesnakes use mainly neurotoxic venom correct? I can only imagine what the prey must do while under the influence. Thats really cool that you get to see that behaviour actually, all I get to see are constrictions. I would probably enjoy watching it myself. Never seen any prey after its been bitten by a venomous snake, even on TV, let alone in my own house. Perhaps I should youtube it... Caylan.S.

Caylan · 02-14-12, 02:06 AM

We use fluorescent light diffuser as egg crate at work. It raises the rats about a centimeter of the the bottom of the bin and urine generally drains down and doesn't soak the rats. I should have explained that better sorry. Caylan.S.

PS thanks KORBIN, didn't realize you got that one already...

RandyRhoads · 02-14-12, 09:40 AM

Primarily hemotoxic. They still act very drunk and sometimes do backflips and other things like "miming".

exwizard · 02-14-12, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Is weighing also important for rat pups? That's the stage where my girls are now. And if I'm just feeding my breeders, is it important to know when they switch from a smaller rat to a medium?

I understand how it can be important for snakes that are for sale.

It is because our customers know what we mean when we say pups. It means 20-29g. This is important for 2 reasons. 1- Some snakes are small enough to where a weaner (30-44g) is too big. 2- Our pricing depends on size; the heavier the weight, the larger the size, the higher the price. Our sizing is based on weight primarily and we use the rodentpro standard so that way there is no question what a rat pup is or any other size for that matter.

Strutter769 · 02-14-12, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

I'll have to look back to give credit where it's due, but someone in this room (well, ya know) gave this link, and the drawing was the inspiration for my chamber. I promise pics of my version tomorrow... I mean later today.

DIY – Euthanasia :: Metal Monkey Exotics

Credit for this site/info goes to CandyRaver69. I'll finish the chamber today and post pics.