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Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
lol. im used to having to explain who, what, when, where, why i do what i do. I am 100%ok with people thinking im mean. They can jump my A$$ all they want...but i charge by the minute..
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
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Originally Posted by Stormy Night
Thats why its called a debate nat. In the back ground right now i here ppl on tv talking about the zillion billion millions of galaxys there are and how many billions of light years they are away from us, and the chances of life on other planets...most of it is built on theory. They debate to ponder and learn new things they havent though of before. so it may be a pointless unprovable topic to you but i enjoy hearing the ideas and opinions of others. hence why i joined a forum.
Wow, thanks for this *pointless* response.
Go ahead, keep debating it, you're entitled to discuss whatever you want. I'll bow out now. But when your snake talks to you and you get a definitive answer, let me know. Hey, and maybe when your snake does talk to you, you can debate with him whether God exists or not.
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
In terms of snakes "knowing" their owners i would say yes - they associate us with food, security, water etc and i believe they learn to "trust" us to not hurt them. The reason they react differently to a stranger is that they have nothing to associate their scent with.
So my response would be that they react to situations by instinct but can learn that certain people are "trustworthy" and so their instinctive response is to want to be near them for that food, water, confort and security.
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Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
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Originally Posted by natsamjosh
Wow, thanks for this *pointless* response.
Go ahead, keep debating it, you're entitled to discuss whatever you want. I'll bow out now. But when your snake talks to you and you get a definitive answer, let me know. Hey, and maybe when your snake does talk to you, you can debate with him whether God exists or not.
Geez, some people are way too sensitive...
....ok...I fail to see my sensativity. I was talking...not crying. And wtf are you talking about my snakes talking to me?.....I said they can recognize me. They know when I walk into the room vs when my husband does. I'm the food bringer. I'm not having religious debates and playing poker with them...perhapse you are confused as to what I was talking about.
-SN
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
A snake has no more personality than a CPU.
I know a guy who has an i7 950 CPU that will do 4Ghz on 1.27 volts.
Mine will do 4Ghz on 1.31 volts. (Mine is an inferior specimen).
Do they have personalities? You could say that they do. Even though they were both made in the same factory, the batch that his came from is 'willing' to perform at 4Ghz with only 1.27 volts, whereas mine needs 1.31v to be coaxed into the same behavior.
One snake eats more readily than the other. One is more likely to bite than the other. One is more likely to attempt to escape.
Does that mean they have personalities?
I've been keeping reptiles since forever, and have yet to witness anything that I would consider intelligent. Parrots have personalities. More than a dog. They are inquisitive, pick locks, learn to speak and have conversations, enjoy torturing dogs.
Snakes, lizards, turtles, no. They literally don't have the brain cells for it. Anything you can actually call a personality trait is in your grey matter. Reptiles don't have any.
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
"Personality" is an adjective, a descriptive term, nothing more.. so yes snakes have "personality" because in the English speaking language that adjective can be used to describe the observable trait patterns displayed by any living thing.
"emotion" is also an acceptable to use word in the literal sense that "fear" is classified as an emotion, "Anger" is also classified as an emotion.
I have seen snakes flee, and I have seen pissed off snakes strike out like their lives depended on it.
So in a literal sense both of those words can accurately be used to describe a snake.
now at the same time, do they feel love? doubt it..
do they covet each others possessions? heck yes, they will seek the prime basking spot, and guess what, if it's already in use, they don't just politely ask to share, at mating time males will do whatever it takes to get their genes passed on to the best females.
One thing that sets my little garter snakes apart from almost all others it the stone cold simple fact that the population densities mandate sharing resources, this includes mass denning at the optimal brumation sites and crazy orgies at mating time. This is not displayed by other species.
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Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
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"Personality" is an adjective, a descriptive term, nothing more.. so yes snakes have "personality" because in the English speaking language that adjective can be used to describe the observable trait patterns displayed by any living thing.
But then we can say that plants and rocks have personalities. This rock is acidic. This one is basic. This one errodes quickly. This one doesn't. This tree is 'depressed' because it's a weeping willow.
I think we need to look at emotions and personalities here the way that we'd look at them in a higher animal or person. Nobody would deny that different dogs have different personalities, but there's a big difference between a dog and an iguana.
I don't know of any iguanas that will stop an intruder in the home, come every time they're called, bring slippers, sit, stay, heel, jump, fetch, or learn their name .
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
I often argue with myself about this. I tell myself snakes don't have the capacity for "personalities." Then I name them and call them "shy" or "secretive" and wonder why I do that. I think maybe we give them personalities by the way we define their actions more than they actually have them. I call my new coastal "prissy" because of how she feeds. She strikes the prey, drops it, chases me away with a series of halfhearted lunges and then drags the prey into her hide and devours. I say prissy when I mean she would rather feel secure when eating. But then she has only ever nipped at my fiance. Just today my nephew-in-law(is that a real term?) a 12 year old, held her ( who had never held a snake before!) then my fiance did and then I did. My fiance got bit but no on else did. I did not see anything unusual in the way she held the animal. So what do I call that ? Is biting women handlers part of her " personality?" I don't know.
Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
This is actually a real good debate.
I say yes. Not in a dog type way, but in a different.
People tend to personify all animals as well as objects though.
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Originally Posted by Stormy Night
lol. im used to having to explain who, what, when, where, why i do what i do. I am 100%ok with people thinking im mean. They can jump my A$$ all they want...but i charge by the minute..
we demand a refund.
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Re: help settle a debate. do snakes have personalities?
To the Snake owners, their snakes have their own personality. i mean if you like your snake, weather they have personalities or not, your going to imagine or see your snake as having a personality. that's what i think.
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