Savannah Monitor diet debate thread - Page 3

Jay · 03-06-11, 07:45 PM

Thanks, as far as savs go i never really got into them (call me out on that) But it wasnt until i moved out of state and got one i had several questions i am no expert do you do what your dad does come on now

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-11, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphyr

I really didn't want to get into it, but I guess I'm the only one that finds it a little on the rude side to jump on Jay for making such a claim and being all,"Well this doesn't seem right! You need proof."

Is it really that far fetched for someone, well known or not, to have a son?

Actually Sapphyr I see people's posts in this thread asking for the breeding information from the source. It's not like savannah's breed in captivity in any sort of abundance. Multiple times now people have asked for the data from these breedings purely for the sake of gaining knowledge and they haven't been acknowledged.

Sapphyr · 03-07-11, 05:16 AM

Was mainly talking about the comments about why such a well educated man would need to ask others, or ask people on forums, about Quails as a diet item, as well as comments stating things that concerned calling Sprackland to comfirm the information Jay said. Or saying that even having to ask about this or that as a diet item makes it seem like Jay wasn't telling the truth. It just strikes me as a little rude. I wasn't meaning the concerns about breeding Savs and being unaware of such.

mo9e64 · 03-07-11, 09:44 AM

getting back to the subject of monitors.monitor keeping is not where it should be,and part of the reason is we take everything people say without questioning it.For example i read' feed Quails as a treat not entirely',from my perspective you should question that...why can't i feed Quail entirely.well so and so said so...it must be true.

infernalis · 03-07-11, 10:12 AM

Thanks for bringing that up.. I was going to say something yesterday.

Just because "Wayne says" means nothing unless it pertains to forum use and rules.

In reality, you can give virtually any meat to a monitor on rare occasion, that does not mean it's good for them.

As with any wild animal, it's always best to adhere as closely as possible to the natural diet.

Hopefully one day folks will get it straight, I can sit here right now and search around and find a whole bunch of different "advice" on what to feed a Savannah.

One site will say NO MICE, then another site will tell you to "stick with a rodent diet".. So who exactly do you listen to??

Myself, I chose to listen to nature. if an animal survives in the wild on an insect diet, then evolution has decided that is what that animal needs to thrive.

However in reality, it may be really difficult to raise enough roaches to keep a single monitor fed.

mo9e64 · 03-07-11, 10:25 AM

very few people feed their animals a diet they have in the wild-any stomach contents data i've seen on wild monitors,is it not possible they are opportunists that make due with what's available.My Bluetails are doing fine on mice and that's not the majority of their diet in the wild lizards,snakes,spiders and other insects-roaches is a small part-if we repeat the same things over and over it doesn't change it to fact.

infernalis · 03-07-11, 10:38 AM

If our Savannah's behaviour when we take him outside is any indication, yes they are very opportunistic feeders.

He consumes anything that moves and fits in his mouth.

He is very fond of crayfish from the creek, and he will dig around in the rocks looking for them. Beetles and bugs don't stand a chance when he spots them on the ground.

Out here where I live, there is no danger of insecticides or poisons.

Lankyrob · 03-07-11, 12:13 PM

The answer with any of this is to find people who consistently keep a particular animal into OLD age. If some one is using a diet but their animals are dying consistently young then you dont follow their advice, if another persons animals are consistently living into what is considered a good age then they are obviously doing something right and their advice should be followed.

mxracer · 03-07-11, 06:20 PM

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Here's a simple answer. No one in there right mind would bring in one true cbb sav to the country with out bringing other's. Not to mention cost. And im waiting in the info. Cause I actually want to start a breeding project with sav's and want true cbb's to start, but we know it can't happen.

Sapphyr · 03-07-11, 06:24 PM

I stated 'Wayne says' since you were the only one that answered the question, at the time.

And yes, just because someone says doesn't mean it's best. We all know many people have come here asking for diet tips and help since some internet care sheets have very conflicting information. It's always best to ask professionals or, as Rob said, people that have fed them on a diet and have kept them alive into the animal's elderly years.

I've personally never kept Savs, and may not ever keep them, so I personally have nothing to contribute as far as an answer goes.

Jay · 03-07-11, 06:45 PM

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*********************************** No one in there right mind would bring in one true cbb sav to the country with out bringing other's. Not to mention cost. And im waiting in the info. Cause I actually want to start a breeding project with sav's and want true cbb's to start, but we know it can't happen.

first of all this is my first forum 2nd i have never personally owned an akie and if i did i would not sell it to a 14 year old and who are you to come on here and say that if you no me

Sapphyr · 03-07-11, 07:56 PM

And those are the exact kind of comments I was talking about...

Really, guys? Can we -please- just get along and focus on the subject at hand instead of pointing fingers like little squabbling kids?

Jay · 03-07-11, 08:15 PM

lol i think i no who this kid is just an old friend i think

Little Wise Owl · 03-07-11, 08:28 PM

I was just reading a study by Daniel Bennett and thought I'd share on his findings on what V. exathematicus regularly consumes in the wild.

He states:

"Otheropterans (giant crickets, smaller crickets and locusts), scorpions (primarily the large black scorpion, Pandinus imperator, that is also collected for international live animal trade), snails, slugs and amphibians" for juveniles/adults and large millipedes (lulus spp). for adults only.

There's no mention of them consuming birds so as you stated above, I'd personally only feed the quail once a month as a treat.

Here's the PDF if anyone's interested in reading:
http://library.mampam.com/bennettbullchicherpsoc.pdf

bighog85 · 03-07-11, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mo9e64

very few people feed their animals a diet they have in the wild-any stomach contents data i've seen on wild monitors,is it not possible they are opportunists that make due with what's available.My Bluetails are doing fine on mice and that's not the majority of their diet in the wild lizards,snakes,spiders and other insects-roaches is a small part-if we repeat the same things over and over it doesn't change it to fact.

Very few people can keep their monitors alive for more than a few years so obviously these people that you speak of are experts. While many species are opportunists, savs are not one of those species. It is possible to feed a monitor a specialized diet, you just can't be lazy as a keeper. You might want to know what you are talking about before you make a comment like that. By the way, how old are your blue tails? Monitors can live for a while on a terrible diet. Just being alive does not mean that they are doing fine. I guarantee that if you keep feeding a bunch of mice, your animals are going to die young. Very few animals can survive while being fed little balls of fat.