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JaredAren · 09-16-04, 10:56 PM

Last quotes for those that did not want to read 10 pages!

"Many other people have what are definitely Pastels but many others simply have pretty animals they mistakenly call Pastels because of a misunderstanding of what a Pastel is. Identifying Pastels can be and is subjective. It is very much a matter of opinion. There are definitely degrees of "Pastelism". How much Pastelism is required to label an animal "Pastel"? I don't know what measure others may use, but I know what I look for in babies. I look for nearly no black in the side pattern. A very small amount of black can be found but nearly none normally. Over the years I had produced Pastels not knowing what they were. Just knowing that they were beautiful Boas to me and I kept the best to produce more and better animals. After years of breeding and generations down the road I am getting far more Pastels in individual litters than I used to get. Color is something that is enhanced by the Pastel trait not something that defines it at all. I have had Boas with tons of color that were not what I would call "Pastel". Color alone does not a Pastel make. Some Pastels have virtually no color or at least no desirable color but remain Pastel nonetheless.--- Jeff Ronne

"The only time to date I have successfully bred Pastel to Pastel was when I produced the Ivory Boas. The result was nearly all Pastel babies. So most of my Pastels come from Pastel bred to Pastel bloodline animals. From these breedings about half the babies are Pastels. Breeding a Pastel to a non-Pastel will net you some Pastels. " --- Jeff Ronne

corn king 73 · 09-17-04, 07:10 AM

ya but the question still is do i have pastel's lol i don't want to call them pastels if there not lol.paul said they're pastel and linds said that they are normal which are they?
thanks for everyone's time. les

rwg · 09-17-04, 08:23 AM

You need to show better pics. I dont know if it's the camera or not, but better lighting and some close-up shots would help.

corn king 73 · 09-17-04, 08:37 AM

well the pix that paul posted are bother and sister of my snake i just want to know if i got ripped off .i want to knon if there pastel or not look at the breeders pix which is paul vanhooser and please tell me if they are pastel or not.les

Pontus · 09-17-04, 08:53 AM

from what i can see they just look normal but try getting a better cam off a friend so we can see better

bighillreptiles · 09-17-04, 08:59 AM

Well corn king,you know the origional trade for the boa's was the childrens and spotted pythons,which were no where the size they were suppose to be! but i didn't complain after a three hour drive to get them!As for the female snow corn you dropped off at Darren179 for me ,a quarter of an inch of her tail was missing and still scabbed.When i met you in Oshawa, Sheila even asked how it's tail was doing, therefore you did know about it when you dropped it off at Darren's.
When i posted the Boa's i said possible pastels not "pastels".as you claim i did. You said you wanted 200 for the pair and i said i would give you 100 and a corn. Now you want 230 cash so i guess there is no pleasing you Not trying to slam you but just trying to get this s**t cleaned up.
Pastel to me means, "reduced black pigments and cleaner looking boa's.not hypo's. I've been trying to work something out with you for 2 weeks now but it seems impossible.I am not going to pay you anymore then the origional deal of what the 2 pythons were worth. which was 200. To help finish this matter, i will bring you back your own snowcorn and your male corn which i paid you 160 for the pair and i will throw in the other 40 dollars to make it 200 even..If this is not to your liking then there is nothing else i can do.

corn king 73 · 09-17-04, 09:07 AM

Thanks for your help, i am starting to agree with you guys,but again i was told that they are pastel's. i guess i am just going to find some one that know the difference and see if they can tell me what they are as my camera really sucks and i dont have time to get another one. thanks again.

Darren179 · 09-17-04, 09:29 AM

I dont think its they size I think its the supply/demand factor Everyone and anyone is breeding bci and ball pythons so its harder to sell when the supply outnumber the demand

Linds · 09-17-04, 10:09 AM

Corn King,
I'll eliminate the need for better pics by means of comparison. Here is one of my 'normals'. He is the cleanest normal in my collection. He is a nice normal, but a normal nonetheless... do your snakes have less black than that? How do they look in comparison to the boa Jared posted?

<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/508/22bci1-2m.jpg">
<img src="http://www.ssnakess.com/photopost/data/508/22bci1-4.jpg">

Jared,
Thanks for posting those articles! Beautiful snake!

Invictus · 09-17-04, 10:34 AM

Now, look at the lack of black spotting unerneath the tail saddles in the pic that Jared posted... that is NO DOUBT a pastel. (NOt to mention the pastel pink throughout the whole body! WOW!) Is that yours Jared?

Linds, I love that boa! Certainly a normal, even though there is nothing normal about it. That's an insanely clean pattern.

bighillreptiles · 09-17-04, 10:54 AM

Linds what you posted is what i was told was a pastel very nice and cleen thanks paul

corn king 73 · 09-17-04, 11:05 AM

hi linds my female doesn't have as much black as your bci but my male is darker then your's and has a lot more black then my female.i really don't care.just when i breed them i'm just going to list them as bci's and not pastel bci's lol.thanks for all your help.les

JonD · 09-17-04, 11:41 AM

Wow Linds, nice male you have there. I like the one wierd saddle he has too.... Very sweet!!!

JaredAren · 09-17-04, 12:06 PM

Very nice male Linds. I love his color and contrast.

corn king 73 · 09-17-04, 12:34 PM

This is Sheila, and Paul please get it right,i never asked about the corns tail. i said and i quote" she was born that way" you had said there was sonething with her tail and i told you she was born that way. dont bring me into this crap,i have nothing to do with it and you are the one that lied to us not the other way around. again dont bring my name into yours and les's deals ,i dont care and i have my own stuff to deal with. have a great day or whatever. oh and Linds nice pic,i think they are a nice looking snake but to big for me.LOL.