Disgusted

[stretch]

whats wrong with potheads?

[lordkovacs]

bryce... part of the allure of hte hybrid is the environmental factors...not just gas mileage. and believe me hybrid gets much better mileage!

[Bryce Masuk]

THe gas mileage is better but not enough to counter act all the other costs if enviormentalism is what you want use natural gas its much cheaper and better for the enviroment however the heads on your car will need to be re done after 100 000 km

Diesel engines are heavyer and not really ment for stop and go driving that will build large carbon deposits on the heads. diesel engines have insane torque you can make a diesel engine haul a$$ if you know what to do

[Lisa]

You know, the car isn't a nessessity. no one forces people to live an hour or more away from their job etc. No one forces you to live out in the boonies. We drive because we want to.

[Ed_r]

Hybrids still burn gas, so not very environmental.

As bryce said diesels are not for everyone. If you drive 5 miles to work and back it's not a good thing to get a diesel. Now if your driving 25 miles each way to get to work, then it is a good idea, because the engine can get hot enough to not carbon up. It's all in the application. Regardless of use diesels will get carbon deposits, the the nature of the beast.

Lisa it depends. Are you going to relocate every time you get a new job? are you going to turn down a job that pays allot more, but you have to drive 15-20 miles each way? Some need to drive to survive. Yes we could ann go back to caveman days where we could hunt and gather food that is local to our cave. But if you don't want to go back to it, the driving is a necessity.

[marisa]

Actually my BF is almost forced to work an hour away.

For one, the only place that offers his job that is worth working at is Rogers. Its the largest internet company in Ontario, one of the only ones in fact. He salarly would probably be half as much working for a smaller company. If they even need his specific job at a smaller company.

For two his parents left him this house in Bradford only three years ago, so he certainly isn't ready to move. Sure we could say "we dont have to drive" and move into Toronto, but then we would be paying more rent than we do right now with rent and gas combined.

It's a catch 22 I suppose.

Marisa