Unbefreakinglievable

[Emily-Fisher]

What a dumbo. However, he could just be a begginer in the herping world and I mean everyone makes dumb mistakes once in a while but geez!! Frozen/thawed means thaw a frozen mouse!! And if he is a begginer, then he wouldn't be keeping pitt vipers. So now, we have an excuse to call him stupid.

[Jeff_Favelle]

I still don't see where he said he's feeding them frozen. Or even that they are "barely" thawed. Maybe I can't read or see, but where does it say that? I also can't see how you can infer that. Not trying to argue, just trying to understand.

[lilyskip]

My copperhead and my ballpython will strike at warmed wet f/t food. (The Pigmy rattle snake that I have will strike even cold food, thankfully).

I see it in the distinction between warmed food, that he has heated, and "cold" food, which, in my interpretation, is not just slightly heated. It is cold.

[RaVeNo888o]

Originally posted by Gregg M
Hey RaVeNo,
You have GABOON written under your name....... Do you keep gaboons???

no i dont, but i do like them, i have that as my avatar because i use the name GabooN for all the other forums i belong to, mostly not snake related. I joined here just before i started using that name, thats why its RaVeN here. I just used that avatar cause i didnt have one b4.
i can see why on a snake forum, people might think i keep gaboons, but on other forums most people are like 'wtf is gaboon??' and i just say its a snake and i like snakes
sorry for the confusion

[Jayson]

If a food item is thawed to room temps,then in comparison to a live food item it would be considerd cold.

[norman]

yup.

[Lisa]

Some of my snakes won't touch the prey until it's stone cold (ie room temp). I've also read a few caresheets (ie, proexotics) that suggest that warming in hot water makes the prey less appetizing for the snake and that it should be thawed on a plate.

Personally I use the hot water method because I'm lazy, impatient, I don't wanna leave rodents out all afternoon (I have cats), and my boids seem to like it. I didn't discover the method, I just use it from thawing meat for personal cooking.

[SCReptiles]

I have heard of people offering food while it was still frozen and have the snake regurgitate later. I have given my big burms rabbits that were still cool in the center and never had the problem. Never tried it with the vipers.

[T.O-SK8TER]

WOW the guy made a statement to try to educate others and to share a herpers testimony. All you people can do is mock him. Please think of others before sharing in a thread that just puts people down!

[spyderman]

What that guy said about feeding would have helped alot of people just starting out.
If it wasn't for all the people here helping and making suggestions and giving their opinions, I wouldn't have been as confident with my snake as I am now.
Thankyou to everyone in ssnakess. But give the guy a break as he was only trying to help others.

[lilyskip]

okay, okay. to each their own opinion about this guy, then. geez.

[Jeff Hathaway]

Gee, I finally got around to reading this thread, and look what I've been missing out on...

My opinions, for anyone who wants to take the time to read them:

1) No, we shouldn't pick on people who are sharing their experience, or lack of it, but it is reasonable to point out things that need to be pointed out.

2) Yes, this is a very useful feeding trick. No one who uses it is a beginner/idiot/etc.

3) The poster ONLY JUST realized that he could use this trick to feed snakes with heat sensors. He should have known this BEFORE acquiring a ball python, but perhaps we can forgive this since balls are often an impulse purchase at pet shops.

4) Personally, I couldn't forgive that he didn't know this before getting a copperhead and a pygmy rattlesnake. This qualifies him as '40 Watt' in my opinion, whether he is a rapper or not.

5) Hopefully someone passed along to him that if you put the rodent in a plastic bag (reused milk bags work well as they are thicker plastic) and immerse the plastic bag (not the opening, obviously), then the rodent will be warmed but still dry. In my experience, balls and many others prefer their prey dry.

6) A handy trick if the prey item cools down, the water just isn't hot enough, or the bag leaks and it gets wet, is to keep a hair dryer nearby to blow dry the rodent. Works like a charm for stubborn balls.

7) Being dry eliminates the problem of shavings sticking to wet rodents. Sometimes shavings stick to dry rodents, though. Personally, I don't like to feed anything on shavings if I can avoid it. We use newspaper, or feed in a separate container.

8) I suppose that what the original poster said could have helped someone out, though I hope that most people 'just starting out' would do at least some basic research on the internet or *gasp* read a book, and get past this stage. Preferably before they acquire venomous snakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, I hope they NEVER acquire venomous snakes unless they have a profound justification for doing so. In my opinion, they should not be kept as pets.

Happy herping,

Jeff Hathaway
Sciensational Sssnakes!!

[spyderman]

GOD!!! In my time on this site (I have only kept snakes for 5 weeks.), I have asked some questions that seem pretty silly to me now. I only hope that I don't hear of any of you tough people talking about me behind my back.

Ok. I have NO intention of keeping or even going near a hot, but I now know a lot more about snakes thanks to those of you who helped me out.