Feeding advice for yellow rat - Page 3

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-14, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by poomwah

Terranaut, why doesn't it seem to matter WHY I'm not interested in other advice. I know how snakes act when they are stressed, this snake is not doing that. I know what snakes act like when they are hungry. this snake is doing that. The snake is clearly out looking for food.
So, why is the setup automatically the most plausible solution. None of my other snakes have a problem with their enclosures.
Why is the food source such an inplausible idea. I'm truly trying to undestand why that's such an unlikely possibility.
Andy why is it, if Zig and Starbuck suggested scenting, but somehow you and aaron still think its not plausible.
My "newfound" knowledge. That's funny, that right there shows that you don't believe that the snake will feed without following YOUR guidlines.
I'm so confident that the snake is NOT stressed that I just handled the snake as best as I can. Yes Korbin, live with it. To top it off, the snake is now in a glass 55 gallon aquarium in the living room. That's how confident I am that its not a stress issue.

Look, Dan and I both get it. Korbin does too.

You came looking for opinions to validate your own. That's fine. No reason to argue with us.

We'll lay out our advice. I am confident in my knowledge to put it out there for other's who may need it and who will read this and take it.

It's no problem for me if you don't take it.

Terranaut · 03-06-14, 04:17 PM

Now that is just stupid. I clearly wrote for you to try your idea, get alternative prey and if it works tell us about it so we cannlearn from your experience. I thought you just took some of the advice the wrong way but no. You clearly know everything other than how to interact with other people. Maybe "the other" web site you spoke so negatively about was trying to help to and YOU are the problem. You obviously don't need either site with your vast knowledge. Good luck with your goat !!

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 04:17 PM

How do you feed the prey item? Do you thaw it out to room temp? Or do you let it warm up in water?

I've noticed my jungle carpet female takes food a lot better when it's warmed up...and her feeding response is stronger at night.

edit: What do you use to read temps? What heat source are you using?

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-14, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

How do you feed the prey item? Do you thaw it out to room temp? Or do you let it warm up in water?

I've noticed my jungle carpet female takes food a lot better when it's warmed up...and her feeding response is stronger at night.

edit: What do you use to read temps? What heat source are you using?

I would like to point out that pythons have heat pits. I do not believe colubrids do as well.

I haven't checked their face in awhile since I don't own any...correct me if I'm wrong?

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I would like to point out that pythons have heat pits. I do not believe colubrids do as well.

I haven't checked their face in awhile since I don't own any...correct me if I'm wrong?

Ah slipped my mind! Thanks for correcting me.

If you want to know for sure, you can always look at pics online. Here is a face pic from google images.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 04:39 PM

Aaron and Terra,
My problem is the way I can't deal with the nonsense. You both pushed your ways as the right way, not as suggestions or ideas, or even opinions. I even asked about Starbucks and Ziggy's opinions and what was wrong with their ideas. But it was all about the set up.
I don't know everything, I don't claim to, and I'm sorry that you think I do because I am looking at the snake and question and I know its not stressed. As I told you, I checked all the basics, I eliminated the setup as the problem. So, from there, if you really wanted to help, you would have offered suggestions to proceed, not stubbornly stuck with it being a set up problem.

Mikoh, This may not matter anymore but I want to be polite and answer your questions.
I usually thaw the prey in warm water. For some snakes I use hot water. Never actually measured the prey temp, just use hot water out of the tap. Then Let the prey item sit for about a minute.
If you mean enclosure temps, I usually use a laser thermometer, but for quarantine on new guys I use a pair of digitals from walmart with a probe on each. If I have a snake that's not particularly "climby" I mount one of the thermometers on the rear wall inside the enclosure. They have dual displays so at any time I can see warm end, cool end, ambient temp in the middle of the enclosure and room temp. Heat source is flexwatt on a rheostat.
The reason I think that it may not matter anymore is because she just ate :]
thank you for your concern and interest, I really appreciate it Mikoh.
thank you Aaron and Terra for trying to help, thank you Zig and Starbuck for the advice.

ps, Aaron, good call, I didn't think rats had any sensory pits, I just looked on George, I can't find any

infernalis · 03-06-14, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by poomwah

So, why is the setup automatically the most plausible solution. None of my other snakes have a problem with their enclosures.
Why is the food source such an inplausible idea. I'm truly trying to undestand why that's such an unlikely possibility.
Andy why is it, if Zig and Starbuck suggested scenting, but somehow you and aaron still think its not plausible.
My "newfound" knowledge. That's funny, that right there shows that you don't believe that the snake will feed without following YOUR guidlines.
I'm so confident that the snake is NOT stressed that I just handled the snake as best as I can. Yes Korbin, live with it. To top it off, the snake is now in a glass 55 gallon aquarium in the living room. That's how confident I am that its not a stress issue.

Handling, glass, high traffic area and yet you are unwilling to consider stress is a factor at all.

Wow...

poomwah · 03-06-14, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Handling, glass, high traffic area and yet you are unwilling to consider stress is a factor at all.

Wow...

here we go again. All of my snakes are in glass in the living room

**EL Ziggy** · 03-06-14, 04:46 PM

All that matters is she's eating now. Let's see if we can duplicate that success in a few days! Best wishes.

philbyi-guy · 03-06-14, 04:46 PM

Poomwah, regardless of prior experiences with the people commenting, you have to realize that they are trying to help. Yes they could do without the jokes, but everyone on this forum is trying to teach, learn, and have fun. You have at your disposal a huge wealth of knowledge from these people, and if I were you, I'd take it. People have given you plenty of ideas, so please consider each. I'm not lashing out at you, I'm trying to clean up the mess that this thread has become, so please do not label me as a person you will no longer listen to. That said, I would say wait a week, then try again. Do not do anything around the enclosure, don't handle the snake. Just check that he has water quietly once every couple days, and wait. If he doesn't eat, ask again.
Edit: people posted while I was typing. Please move him out of the living room, at least until he is settled in. He's been through alot, and you shouldn't just say "Oh well all my other snakes are fine, so it must be ok."

poomwah · 03-06-14, 04:50 PM

philyi,
thank you for not just posting, but the way you posted it, it was very well said.
i appreciate that people were offering advice. What I didn't appreciate is that once I eliminated certain issues, they would'nt accept that and still insisted it was what they said it was, even though I assured them the setup issues were not a problem. It didn't matter what I said. That's what I had the problem with.
The snake has no problem with the enclosure, and no problem with the traffic. I have proven this. Ziggy and Starbuck were right.
and while I appreciate your advice, please don't be offended that I do not wish to wait that long, she already spends a lot of time exploring, as though she's looking for food. I don't want to make her wait that long.
As far as the snake being in the living room, she is ok in the living room, she's not acting nervous or trying to hide.

CosmicOwl · 03-06-14, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I would like to point out that pythons have heat pits. I do not believe colubrids do as well.

I haven't checked their face in awhile since I don't own any...correct me if I'm wrong?

My animals usually give their food a flick or two with their tongue before eating it. I assume that their tongue is capable of sensing temperature in the same way that human's tongue is. And for the sake of argument, my gray rat snake does seem to prefer his food to be warm, rather than simply thawed and room temp. The corns don't care.

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-14, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Ah slipped my mind! Thanks for correcting me.

If you want to know for sure, you can always look at pics online. Here is a face pic from google images.

Thanks. I would say heating it up could work that it might bring out the scent more...no clue if that's any kind of scientific reason or just random thoughts.

Literally too lazy to check for google

It never really occured to me either.

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Thanks. I would say heating it up could work that it might bring out the scent more...no clue if that's any kind of scientific reason or just random thoughts.

I've always been under that assumption... but who knows lol.

philbyi-guy · 03-06-14, 05:21 PM

What is the harm in taking it out of the living room? Because it is not eating and the fact that you are handling it so soon I have little doubt that it is stressed, and I would suggest trying the suggestions that have been posted. If it doesn't work you can at least shut up the people that you are trying so hard to prove wrong. If you want them to listen, provide tangible proof. I'm sorry if it appears as though I am still fixating on one issue, but I do not feel it is being investigated enough. If you disagree, like I said, prove the others wrong. Do what they said and see what happens. I can promise you there is nothing wrong with that.