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Old 10-22-13, 05:06 PM   #31
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I'd say you're giving us things to complain about, although I wouldn't say what I did was complaining. I'm not trying to make an enemy of you, in fact if you go to the first page you'll see I was actually trying to defend you. But you do make it a little easy for others to complain.
Whatever, I'll be back in a few years when my Sav is happy and healthy, then we can all have a good laugh about the uproar against grow out enclosures.
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Re: Anybody able to tell the sex of my Sav? this one has me stumped..

Like it or not, grow out enclosures are going to = wasted cash in the future. As long as you have the next enclosure size up ready to go by time the lizard needs it, I personally wouldn't look at grow out enclosures badly, so just make sure he's always in the correct sized enclosure or bigger. If you do that, I don't think anyone here would have an issue with it. I personally don't know a single thing about Monitors, but I do know that there are a lot of smart people giving you good info and advice. You can get defensive, or keep an opened mind and do as instructed by these people to better the way you care for the Sav. I'm not necessarily saying that you're caring for them badly, because I know nothing about Sav's. But no matter how great you take care of your animals, you can ALWAYS do it better. so just keep an opened mind, and remember that no one who's posted here has you in mind. Everyone here is thinking about your pet, and they just want to make sure that it has a happy, healthy live.
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Whatever, I'll be back in a few years when my Sav is happy and healthy, then we can all have a good laugh about the uproar against grow out enclosures.
why the attitude??

The ability to accept criticism especially with a prior death on your resume' is a sign of maturity. Why put up a brick wall? no one is "shouting at you" yet you have some sort of tantrum like response to every word typed?

Imagine IF I presented my new lizards in a tote box, after the widely public passing of Chomper, These people would laugh me off the boards a fool.

No one has done that to you, we have done nothing but express the urgency to get this future cage project rolling.... that's all, nothing else.

Yet you insist on making proverbial mountains out of molehills.
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Old 10-22-13, 07:56 PM   #34
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Like it or not, grow out enclosures are going to = wasted cash in the future. As long as you have the next enclosure size up ready to go by time the lizard needs it, I personally wouldn't look at grow out enclosures badly, so just make sure he's always in the correct sized enclosure or bigger. If you do that, I don't think anyone here would have an issue with it. I personally don't know a single thing about Monitors, but I do know that there are a lot of smart people giving you good info and advice. You can get defensive, or keep an opened mind and do as instructed by these people to better the way you care for the Sav. I'm not necessarily saying that you're caring for them badly, because I know nothing about Sav's. But no matter how great you take care of your animals, you can ALWAYS do it better. so just keep an opened mind, and remember that no one who's posted here has you in mind. Everyone here is thinking about your pet, and they just want to make sure that it has a happy, healthy live.
As I've stated countless times, I have an adult enclosure on the way. It will be done in a matter of a month or two so it's not that far off. Therefore, there is no problem here, as my Sav has just recently hit the 20-23'' mark (again, still need to measure him quickly some time as I would like to know for certain). I put him in there when he was only 5-6 inches, so he had PLENTY of room all the way up until the 20'' mark, and he still has a good amount of room since he isn't really wide, he can turn around easily, run around if he wants, has an epic burrow (the entire bottom is hollowed out), ect. And again, that adult enclosure is on the way. There should be zero issues here.

And I have been busy as hell, so if I don't have the time to write out exact measurements after they've already been stated a billion times, it's not because I'm trying to be difficult, it's because I'm trying to avoid writing two sentences only to have to leave the computer, lose it, and type it all over again.

It seems like everyone here is very high on their horse, and that really needs to change. And Gotsa, I realize you weren't giving me a hard time. No hard feelings, I was just getting frustrated because I love these animals and I go above and beyond for them. The fact that I decided to use a grow out tub doesn't change that, in fact it's better because it has taught me how to properly establish the temperatures, the soil consistency, ect. If I had rushed a final enclosure I'd be in a world of trouble right now, so I have no regrets. My Sav grew up from 5-6 inches, to 20-23 inches, it's not like he was always that size inches and has been in there, no, that is fairly recent. He had tons of room growing up, and now that he's almost 2ft, he will have plenty more come late Nov/Dec.

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Old 10-22-13, 08:11 PM   #35
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why the attitude??

The ability to accept criticism especially with a prior death on your resume' is a sign of maturity. Why put up a brick wall? no one is "shouting at you" yet you have some sort of tantrum like response to every word typed?

Imagine IF I presented my new lizards in a tote box, after the widely public passing of Chomper, These people would laugh me off the boards a fool.

No one has done that to you, we have done nothing but express the urgency to get this future cage project rolling.... that's all, nothing else.

Yet you insist on making proverbial mountains out of molehills.
I explained in my previous post, but I will again, separate of that wall of text ^^:

I have a deep passion for these animals, and I was just frustrated because of peoples attitude. I was fine until people started making it seem like I was doing things wrong, and like I don't care about these animals. All that nonsense. As I said, I follow the well known Sav care websites to a T, Wayne, and the only deviation was the grow out enclosure idea. I don't know why the idea of a tub makes it worse, in the end, nothing we provide is up to par with the wild, so that idea needs to go out the window, unless you are being reasonable. The people here aren't, you expect me to have a 10x5x5 for a baby or something and then bigger for an adult? it's not practical.

The best MOST people can do for their Sav is a 6x4x4 with just 3-4 inches of dirt, a little layer, temps of 90-100 hot spot and 70-80 cool side, for an adult. Me on the other hand, I have given my Sav a 4x2x2 (I forget the exact bloody measurements) tub, with 12 inches of dirt (at the highest point), a proper temperature gradient with a hot spot of 130-140f up top, 100-110 just below the flat stone where he has dug it out (no worries, it is supported), and 80 cool side, 80-85 ambient, 60-80% humidity above ground, 80-100% in the burrow, And the final enclosure (8x4x4) is on the way. certain to be done late Nov/Dec, maybe earlier If I'm lucky, and pushing for.

So yes, I had a Sav die in my care, but he was already 3-4 years old when I got him and was fed boiled eggs and ground turkey, in a fish tank at 4ft, with a 80-90 hot spot and no humidity because of the mesh top (all according to the previous owner)

So excuse me for not making that person take care of their animal long before I ever met them. By the time he came into my care, there was no rehabilitation in sight. The damage was done. So in the end, you can pull up things like that to make yourself seem justified in your point, but at the end of the day you just demonstrate your lack of understanding.

And there is no "attitude" there. Constructive criticism, remember?
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Old 10-22-13, 08:22 PM   #36
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The best MOST people can do for their Sav is a 6x4x4 with just 3-4 inches of dirt, a little layer, temps of 90-100 hot spot and 70-80 cool side, for an adult.
And herein lies the flaw in your logic. I know very little about Savs, but I do know that if someone is keeping one in an enclosure as described, they are doing it wrong, and just because you are doing better than someone else does not make it right.
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Old 10-22-13, 08:34 PM   #37
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And herein lies the flaw in your logic. I know very little about Savs, but I do know that if someone is keeping one in an enclosure as described, they are doing it wrong, and just because you are doing better than someone else does not make it right.
I cannot say enough that an adult enclosure will be done in a month or so, that the Sav has had plenty of room all it's life, from 5-6 inches up to 20 inches, where now he needs an upgrade, AND IT'S COMING

You are just unreasonable, and can't accept that grow out enclosures ARE FINE. My friends all do it, their finds all do it, the best room around which I had worked at does it, and all of them have happy healthy monitors, that are put from their grow out enclosure to their final enclosure when they are big enough.

You people are really, really ridiculous. I'm done explaining myself, you can all see that my Sav will be healthy and happy in a few years when I come back and taunt you with my success. If you are going to harp on someone, when the time comes that you've been proven wrong, you should accept it and close your mouth. I'm sick of people acting like they know everything (and people will say that's me, um, no, it's YOU, if it was me, I wouldn't be rushing an adult enclosure)

Smarten yup and realize that you can be wrong. Until then, I give up, can't go in circles forever with clowns.

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You won't prove anyone wrong, I guarantee it.

No one said that your sav wasn't going to survive. People here are just saying that your grow out tub is less than ideal. Whether that assertion is true or not, your sav will probably live long enough to go into it's adult enclosure you are building for him. Looks like you're the one high on your horse.
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You people are really, really ridiculous.
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In a few years when I come back and taunt you with my success.
WE are ridiculous?? But you're going to come back and stick your tongue out at us?
Sounds like you're the one being ridiculous here. There isn't even a reason for you to be mad.
Just fix your mistakes, get a bigger enclosure and move on. No reason for any of what I've seen here. I x2 what Mikoh had pointed out. I tried to help give a solution and recommend not taking every word as an insult but you still do. It's not going to solve anything, tbh. Take your shield down for a little while and absorb some of this info and advice. These people are trying to help your ANIMAL, not pick on YOU. I promise. I can tell you really love your animals. But you can always give them better care, as I stated before. Even if you think a Sav would do fine in a 6' enclosure doesn't mean it's a good choice. A human can live in a barrel. Doesn't mean we'll live comfortably. More space = happier animal.
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A human can live in a barrel.
For some reason the thought of this made me laugh.
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I couln't agree more! I feel bad housing mine in an 8 x 4 now that he's almost full grown.
I hope you didn't take this the wrong way. I think the standard 8 x 4 is adequate room but that people should provide as much space as they can (I'm in no rush to upgrade my enclosure, but will when I get the opportunity just because I think he would enjoy more space). I have no problem with anyone who keeps one in an 8 x 4 and certainly have no problem with how yours is being kept. Life happens, and sometimes things get a bit delayed but what matters is that you are upgrading the enclosure as soon as possible and that what he is in now is ok short-term.
If I got another monitor I would build the adult enclosure from the get-go and toss in the baby, but I found using grow-up enclosures beneficial when first getting started as I knew what to do differently for the next one.
No one here was being rude. I find sometimes things can be said very bluntly that appear rude, but once questioned turn out to be only simple statements. 'Your enclosure could be better' usually means on here that someone would like to recommend a change because they have found it works good- not to put you down or make you feel bad.
Everyone here is passionate about monitors, and in my mind the more the marrier .

Any more photos of the guy? I'm curious on whether its a he or she.
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For some reason the thought of this made me laugh.
Me too . I thought of a crazy guy with a long beard jumping out of a barrel saying, 'Would you like a spot of tea?'.
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Me too . I thought of a crazy guy with a long beard jumping out of a barrel saying, 'Would you like a spot of tea?'.
ha! I thought of a guy sitting in the fetal position living in a barrel his whole life.
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WE are ridiculous?? But you're going to come back and stick your tongue out at us?
Sounds like you're the one being ridiculous here. There isn't even a reason for you to be mad.
Just fix your mistakes, get a bigger enclosure and move on. No reason for any of what I've seen here. I x2 what Mikoh had pointed out. I tried to help give a solution and recommend not taking every word as an insult but you still do. It's not going to solve anything, tbh. Take your shield down for a little while and absorb some of this info and advice. These people are trying to help your ANIMAL, not pick on YOU. I promise. I can tell you really love your animals. But you can always give them better care, as I stated before. Even if you think a Sav would do fine in a 6' enclosure doesn't mean it's a good choice. A human can live in a barrel. Doesn't mean we'll live comfortably. More space = happier animal.
I never said a 6' cage is okay. I said that's what the majority of people use, even for adults, yet I have already provided over 3 quarters of that already to a baby/juvenile, not to mention the 8x4x4 that's coming along.

Again, I apologize if I seemed defensive before. I am going to take some time to think and relax then I'll be back.
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I never said a 6' cage is okay. I said that's what the majority of people use, even for adults, yet I have already provided over 3 quarters of that already to a baby/juvenile, not to mention the 8x4x4 that's coming along.

Again, I apologize if I seemed defensive before. I am going to take some time to think and relax then I'll be back.
Good idea. I had a really bad attitude towards everyone here (much worse than yours), but.I.took a little time, came back, and now I get along with some of those members I had argued with regularly before.
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