The yellow rat snake that may enjoy some human contact. - Page 2

smy_749 · 05-30-13, 04:28 PM

Where did I say he was attracted to you? You said I put words in your mouth, then said I said something which I didn't.....Do you realize how stupid that is? You did however say more than once that he was enjoyed cuddling, enjoyed being touched, snakes enjoying human contact, liked to snuggle around your neck, (in another thread liked to snuggle while you watch an entire movie) .....

And your evidence is that they feed and do well? The people who put snakes in tubs with papertowels and heat have snakes that feed and do well.....Nice evidence.

One last thing because I don't want to drag this thread on too long....Just incase you decide to edit anything ;-) Copy pasted from your posts...

"your snakes don't like you"

"Speaking of snakes enjoying human contact"

"male rosy boa I kept for many years liked to snuggle around my neck"

Oh, this is a good one..

"realized with some degree of surprise & amusement that he was "flirting" with me! "

"I think that many snakes enjoy being touched in a non-threatening way by us,"

"Some of mine seem to enjoy a little 'massage'"

And my favorite

"The only snake I have that TOTALLY sits still & cuddles for hours watching a movie is my 7+ foot boa (BCI)"

Hurrok · 05-30-13, 05:20 PM

No matter what people tell me I still know and believe that snakes can express themselves through affection. No, they aren't humans, dogs or cats, but remember, people used to think that of them as well. Now look at how "stupid" they are for thinking such things.

MDT · 05-30-13, 05:30 PM

No limbic system in reptilian brain= no affection/attachment..

We are just a big warm blob that occasionally will elevate them out of their enclosure.

smy_749 · 05-30-13, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurrok

No matter what people tell me I still know and believe that snakes can express themselves through affection. No, they aren't humans, dogs or cats, but remember, people used to think that of them as well. Now look at how "stupid" they are for thinking such things.

Cats and dogs have been domesticated over centuries, maybe thousands of years. And again, please don't compare the brain of a cat or a dog to that of a reptile, apples and oranges. I can't say it enough. Do spiders feel affection towards owners as well? They also have brains...

Again like I said, if in the future, something is discovered scientifically proving your claims, than fine, I'm all aboard. However based on what we currently know, I'm not convinced in the slightest. How are you going to prove to me that hes not concerned simply with his own safety? With warm? With whatever....

If your snake was hungry, and big enough to eat you, you wouldn't be seeing any affection.

If anyone here has proof that there snake truly enjoys his company, and can say for sure that he isn't worried about himself and his own well being, please post it here, I'd like to here it. Rubbing your snakes head and it feels nice...sure thats great, maybe its true (I don't think so but who knows), how does this prove affection as well? I can get a massage from the therapist down the street and enjoy it, but I don't think I'm in love with the therapist down the street. Make sense?

KORBIN5895 · 05-30-13, 08:42 PM

Stupidity reigns.....

possum · 05-30-13, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by MDT

No limbic system in reptilian brain= no affection/attachment..

We are just a big warm blob that occasionally will elevate them out of their enclosure.

If that's true then why do they remain tame* & without constant reinforcement? (*and yes, I'm talking about my experience here, since those of you who don't believe they have any 'smarts' predictably don't fare as well in the handling department.) See, I think there's a correlation between our attitudes and theirs. That's my opinion, don't bother getting your panties in a bunch over it.

**Aaron_S** · 05-30-13, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by possum

If that's true then why do they remain tame* & without constant reinforcement? (*and yes, I'm talking about my experience here, since those of you who don't believe they have any 'smarts' predictably don't fare as well in the handling department.) See, I think there's a correlation between our attitudes and theirs. That's my opinion, don't bother getting your panties in a bunch over it.

I'm not going to go far into this debate but because I'm really trying not to get into any.

BUT...it IS true. Just because you don't want to go do some research or back up your claims doesn't mean you have any sort of leg to stand on at this point. Science has proven you wrong...when it proves you right, then we can discuss your opinion.

I'd say they stay "tame" because they don't consider us a threat or a food item. That's entirely the reason.

I don't handle my snakes very much. I have ones that can tolerate tons of handling, some that tolerate a little and very few that tolerate none. All are kept the same and fed the same. Some just see me as a threat, others don't.

My attitude doesn't change with any of them, yet some were as calm as can be from babies and some were not.

For the record, I don't get why the people that believe the current facts are "close minded". Shouldn't YOU be open minded that you're just wrong and that in OUR readings we discovered this?

possum · 05-30-13, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

I'm afraid of stupidity. It's contagious and I don't want newcomers to catch it from you....

smy_749: I truly hope you are as young as you seem? You always resort to name-calling & hostile rants when you disagree with someone...I hope eventually you learn how to exchange differing opinions without all the drama. As you mature, you'll find the world is chock-full of ppl with views different from yours, and tolerance & civilized communication really do come in handy. Not to mention that reality or truth has a way of being revised again and again.

SnakeyJay · 05-31-13, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by possum

If that's true then why do they remain tame* & without constant reinforcement? (*and yes, I'm talking about my experience here, since those of you who don't believe they have any 'smarts' predictably don't fare as well in the handling department.)

Well that's a funny one... I'm a full believer in the FACT that reptilian brains do not support the ability to form these emotions, and yet I haven't been bitten by any of my snakes so far in 4 years.

My gf has been bitten so that throws out the argument that my snakes aren't inclined to bite anyway. Yesterday I had to open my male boas mouth too have a look, I released him while still handling him and he didn't bite. Does this mean he loves me and enjoys me handling him?

smy_749 · 05-31-13, 04:27 AM

Sometimes the word stupid is necessary. Whether mice are more nutritious or rats are : not neccessary.

Whether your snake enjoys cuddling and snuggling to a good movie or not: necessary.

You have tried again and again to prove your knowledge by stating your number of snakes, number of years, and number of cuddles. Give it a rest before you go further and say your snakes flirt with you....oh wait.

Reminds me of a certain varanid keeper who thinks observing his captive bred varanids in a box tells him about the outback.

KORBIN5895 · 05-31-13, 05:31 AM

Smy, please play nice with the other children. Apparently his cognitive skills are far superior to 99.9999999999999999% of all scientists ( remember his scientist friend agrees with him).

Lankyrob · 05-31-13, 05:41 AM

If your snake is so warm and cuddly try an experiment. On a nice warm day suitable for your particular snake go out into the wood with it, put it on the ground and leave it for five minutes and then call it back, if it comes to you without you approaching it or tempting it with food then i will believe your claims............

smy_749 · 05-31-13, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by possum

If that's true then why do they remain tame* & without constant reinforcement? (*and yes, I'm talking about my experience here, since those of you who don't believe they have any 'smarts' predictably don't fare as well in the handling department.) See, I think there's a correlation between our attitudes and theirs. That's my opinion, don't bother getting your panties in a bunch over it.

I've only kept one snake with a serious attitude. Albino cali king that bit everything for no reason. Other than that all my snake have always ranges from tolerant to cuddly/snuggly/lovey dovey.

And I only handle my reptiles when I'm doing cage maintenance of some sort, or checking up on them.

Tame and domesticated go hand in hand usually, according to most dictionaries. Care to explain how snakes are domesticated as well? Or if you dont agree , fine, explain to me why some wild caught snakes are 'tame' enough not to bite. WILD snakes. Your snakes remain tame without constant reinforcement has nothing to do with how much they enjoy your company. Seeing a wild snake that isnt nippy destroys your whole taming idea, unless you think jungle people tame them when nobodies looking. Some snakes are bitey, some like to eat, some are chill, and some are schizo. Some will learn to calm down because they arent being eaten , but thats as far as it goes.

How many rattlesnakes mambas and cobras have you tamed and watched TV with? Or are hots incapable of feeling? Practice what you preach and show me your tame vipers, they have brains too

MDT · 05-31-13, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by possum

That's my opinion, don't bother getting your panties in a bunch over it.

my panties remain "bunch-less"...

however, if you want an animal to form attachment, get a mammal.

TheSuppishOne · 05-31-13, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MDT

No limbic system in reptilian brain= no affection/attachment..

We are just a big warm blob that occasionally will elevate them out of their enclosure.

I'm perfectly okay with this. Though I might add to it...

We are just a big, non-threatening, warm blob that occasionally will elevate them out of their enclosure and give them food.

I think they can perceive threat/predator or not, and if they eventually recognize our heat signature or scent as a "comfortable" one, that is all the affection I need.