Killing Live prey - Page 2

jarich · 04-12-13, 12:34 PM

Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.

V87 · 04-12-13, 12:39 PM

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Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.

In this I will agree ....

Toothless · 04-12-13, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.

Any way you could post a video on how you do it? I'm more of a visual learning person and find I'm much more comfortable trying something if I can watch it being done first. I would like to give it a try at least once to see how it works (as I really dislike feeding live).
Also, what would the best way be to kill gerbils? I wouldn't think the method you use for mice/ rats would work for them as I've heard their tails are quite fragile and can slodge off.

smy_749 · 04-12-13, 05:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHvDVixKNwU

jarich · 04-12-13, 09:01 PM

One of the other members (dinosaurdammit I think?) here made one on a feeding thread awhile back. Anyone remember where that was?

Toothless · 04-13-13, 04:47 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHvDVixKNwU

Very informative. Thank you for posting that. It does seem like a very quick and painless way to go about it.

infernalis · 04-13-13, 06:33 AM

Call me insensitive, I must be "hardenened" but I quit really concerning myself with the rat's feelings at it's moment of doom. The end result is the same, it's about to be eaten. A dead rodent is a dead rodent, regardless of how it got there.

V87 · 04-13-13, 06:38 AM

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Call me insensitive, I must be "hardenened" but I quit really concerning myself with the rat's feelings at it's moment of doom. The end result is the same, it's about to be eaten. A dead rodent is a dead rodent, regardless of how it got there.

Insensitive ...

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As long as its actually dead ... Surely u must show some compassion .... If someone was to feed a sav to a larger monitor would u care if I smashed it against a rock and it wasn't dead and it was in pain for 10mins before being eaten ... I am also quite cold and insensitive but still respect all animals life and suffering .... And no animal shud b made to suffer wether it is going to b eaten or not ...

infernalis · 04-13-13, 06:43 AM

OK, granted, I do not "get off" watching my animals eat.

But I view nature for what it is, did the BBC camera men step in and euthanize the water buffalo, or did they allow the Komodo to do it's natural method of feeding?

V87 · 04-13-13, 06:46 AM

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OK, granted, I do not "get off" watching my animals eat.

But I view nature for what it is, did the BBC camera men step in and euthanize the water buffalo, or did they allow the Komodo to do it's natural method of feeding?

That's in the wild ..... ??? Ur enclosure is not the same environment .... A captive environment is completely different ....

Surely u must understand ur 4 walls is not the wild not shud I b compared ....

smy_749 · 04-13-13, 06:59 AM

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That's in the wild ..... ??? Ur enclosure is not the same environment .... A captive environment is completely different ....

Surely u must understand ur 4 walls is not the wild not shud I b compared ....

I'm all for doing things the 'humane' way. But I wouldn't call the plague, extinction of native species, and whatever other disasters humane, so rats aren't high on my 'treat humanely' list. I can't actually think of another animal I dislike with the exception of rats.

Pirarucu · 04-13-13, 08:00 AM

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But I wouldn't call the plague, extinction of native species, and whatever other disasters humane,

I'm going to go on a tangent for a moment.

While I agree that the Plague was not humane, the bottom line is that it was necessary. People became too overpopulated and were suffering from overcrowding, they didn't have enough food, etc, etc. Then the Plague came along and took out a percentage of the population. That left the survivors with lots of space, they had plenty of food and resources, and they flourished because of it. Most historians refer to the Black Death as something that occurred at the end of the Middle Ages. They don't make the connection. It did not just occur; it was the biological event that ended the Middle Ages. When the survivors were left with everything they needed, human innovation and advancements in technology took off, and a period of prosperity ensued, and there was an economic boom, which culminated in the Renaissance.

Something very similar is going to happen soon, and anyone who is paying attention can see it coming. We are so overpopulated that as a species we are weakened, and the further we push into the rainforests, the more chance we have of coming into contact with a virus that could jump from one species into ours, and the more crowded we are, are the easier it will be to spread from one person to another. It's already started happening. The AIDS virus is sweeping the globe. Breakouts of pathogens such as Ebola or Lassa are becoming ever more frequent. The problem with these is that they don't do their job well enough. They either don't spread easily, or they kill their hosts before they have a chance to infect more people. Soon we'll run into something (or release something) that doesn't have those constraints. A strain of Ebola exists which is airborne, but it only infects monkeys. It is incredibly similar to a strain that is extremely lethal in humans, so much so that you can't easily tell the difference. One small mutation and we could have an airborne strain of Ebola sweeping through the human species. On the other hand, it could be something released from a lab. Imagine if a weaponized strain of smallpox were let loose. Even the natural strain would go on a massive burn through the human species. If a release was done in a large city, planes would carry it all over the planet in a matter of days, and everyone's immunity to it has long since worn off.
No matter how it starts, the human species is going to have a major die off soon, and ultimately it will be a good thing. There will be new advances in technology, and a new economic boom, and nature will have reestablished the balance... And there won't be a thing we can do about it. The only thing we could do would be to prevent it by keeping our population under control, which we know won't be done.. So there you have it. Sorry about that, LOL. I have to make a big long post every now and again..

smy_749 · 04-13-13, 08:21 AM

that was a good post, I didn't think about it as a 'benefit' because it sounds so evil but your right. I think we are going to just have a massive nuclear war though :P

And starbuck, with regards to self preservation, you can exclude humans from that hahahaah Half the stuff people put in their body is ....well not good stuff. lol

infernalis · 04-13-13, 06:58 AM

Your right, but we are holding these animals captive against their wishes for our own personal amusement, that's why it's called "captivity"...

Why supress their natural instincts and behaviours just because they are locked in a box?

Are people euthanising roaches?? Locusts??

Who are we to determine what life forms are worthy of an "honorable consumption" and what life forms get to be eaten alive?

My primary concern will always be weather or not the food item can harm my reptiles.. not the other way around.

V87 · 04-13-13, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Your right, but we are holding these animals captive against their wishes for our own personal amusement, that's why it's called "captivity"...

Why supress their natural instincts and behaviours just because they are locked in a box?

Are people euthanising roaches?? Locusts??

Who are we to determine what life forms are worthy of an "honorable consumption" and what life forms get to be eaten alive?

My primary concern will always be weather or not the food item can harm my reptiles.. not the other way around.

Maybe it's because inverts don't feel pain .....