Suggestion about using scientific names - Page 2

infernalis · 03-11-13, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by medicinhed

Don't think this is a safe place, just because we all like snakes.

Watch out, Korbin is having a bad day.....

medicinhed · 03-11-13, 06:42 AM

I said "SOME OF YOU". Since when did some you become the WHOLE forum?

Prior to now, how many of my posts have been personal attacks? How many have been derogatory?

Hard-nosed? Looks like I got to you. The members you have so vigorously defended and named seems like your clique has gotten some flack from people in the past. I didn't name names. Why did you?

Did I resort to swearing at you to get my point across? No. Frankly this is how professional people have a discussion. Grow up. Stop being a lowlife and proud of it. Perhaps you would be less angry.

KORBIN5895 · 03-11-13, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Watch out, Korbin is having a bad day.....

Not yet boss. But I have seen way too many noobs ripping at this forum lately for it to sit well. I might ad that I have kept my nose pretty clean thatnkyouverymchly.

Have you ever noticed that when people have been here for any length of time they seldom truly butt heads? Even when they can't stand each other? Why is it always these new people that come on here and make waves?

KORBIN5895 · 03-11-13, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by medicinhed

I said "SOME OF YOU". Since when did some you become the WHOLE forum?

Prior to now, how many of my posts have been personal attacks? How many have been derogatory?

Hard-nosed? Looks like I got to you. The members you have so vigorously defended and named seems like your clique has gotten some flack from people in the past. I didn't name names. Why did you?

Did I resort to swearing at you to get my point across? No. Frankly this is how professional people have a discussion. Grow up. Stop being a lowlife and proud of it. Perhaps you would be less angry.

Wow! Your whole month here seems to have shown you so much! Thank you for sharing so many deep and profound insights into this community.

The reason I chose those people is because they are some of the most knowledgeable people on here. People take offense to knowledgeable people when they are corrected. I have heard several people decide to ignore them because they got their feelings hurt when they were corrected.

Anyway I am on my way to a bad and will leave you alone to your disillusions.

medicinhed · 03-11-13, 06:51 AM

Because we're mostly not used to be attacked, sworn at, and belittled. You and your group of long time old school people were once new to the hobby.

You want the hobby and this forum to grow? Why not give people a chance to settle in before you disembowel them?

Since you and the main guy are obviously pals. It's clear I'm not going to get any traction or say.

If I (we all the sad noobs) don't conform and accept everything your clique says as holy writ then why not just close the forum and make a special website where you all can agree and admire each others mastery of reptile husbandry, breeding, classification, and sales.

medicinhed · 03-11-13, 06:55 AM

Should I wait till I get to 5000 posts before I am allowed to have an opinion, make a statement, or some small gesture?

Should I make obeisance to your all knowing majesty?

Hey infernalis? How long before I get to swear at noobies? You know in clear violation of forum rules?

Unless they don't apply because I have only been here a month.

If you do not think I have any legitimacy to my complaint then PM and I'll leave gladly.

Is being decent to other people on the forum too much to ask here?

infernalis · 03-11-13, 07:06 AM

since I obviously came into this late, why don't BOTH of you tell me how this started?

medicinhed · 03-11-13, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

since I obviously came into this late, why don't BOTH of you tell me how this started?

Read the thread.

I'm clearly in the minority when it comes to asking people to follow your forum rules.

Any more questions regarding my doctorate?

KORBIN5895 · 03-11-13, 07:14 AM

I think this thread is the only one I have ever talked to him in. But as I was reading some other threads it seems he has some issues with me as he has made some veiled references lately.

**lady_bug87** · 03-11-13, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by medicinhed

I've never stated that I have a doctorate. I am stating that many of you speak as if you were herpetology professors. Act as if you are the end all be all authority on the subject. Especially when you berate other members.

If you state that you are expert, then what are you people basing it on?

Post numbers?

Are you condoning this personal attack? This is your website after all.

I have a Juris Doctor specializing in International Trade Law. I am not a reptile expert, have no degree stating thus, and I have never claimed to be anything but an enthusiast. I have also not berated anyone. I have not called anyone names. I have not launched any personal attacks.

I make an open complaint regarding the attitudes from some of your members and then you question my statement. Condone a personal attack, and thereby sanctioning it.

That's my doctorate. That's my beef. Your turn...

So... you're a lawyer? Kind of? And this is how you argue your case?

KORBIN5895 · 03-11-13, 08:30 AM

Apparently I argue my case better because he pm'd me and said I won. Unfortunately I am still unsure of what I won as I didn't know we were competing for anything.

**lady_bug87** · 03-11-13, 08:36 AM

So you guys had no other words? He just jumped in with both feet guns blazing

Chu'Wuti · 03-11-13, 08:39 AM

Frankly, I would call this a "personal attack":

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I think this is a great way for some of you to continue showing off your "expert status" with snakes. You know, despite having no educational credentials to show for it.

"Hey guys! What do you think of my new Animalia Chordata Vertebrata Reptilia Squamata Serpentes Boidae Boinae Boa Boa Constrictor imperator?"

Another way for some members to berate, belittle, mock, and keyboard assault another member for perceived failures in husbandry, behavior, spelling and grammar. Let's include taxonomy to the mix.

Another way to make some feel good at some strangers expense. Another way to justify bad behavior from forum bullies.

Let's complicate this even further by insisting on scholarly treatise vetted by experts in the field. You don't do this, you can't post. Let's see your degrees everyone.

. . . recognize bad behavior and bullying.

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Act as if you are the end all be all authority on the subject. Especially when you berate other members.

In my field--not herpetology--the above would be considered ad hominem attacks, a kind of fallacy. Is there some reason you felt a need to respond to Roman this way? He made a perfectly reasonable request, and several of us responded respectfully with our personal opinions in favor of or not in favor of that request.

I personally prefer to offer information as much as possible here and plan to include (when I can remember!) scientific names in my posts so that someone like Roman has fewer issues trying to figure out which animal is what. I, too, have been confused when reading some posts (e.g., "red ackies" with no other names given). Fortunately, most of us are happy to give more information when asked.

Also fortunately, it is extremely easy to look things up on the Internet to find scientific names. For example, I just looked up red ackie and found that it is Varanus acanthuras, aka spiny-tailed monitor or ridge-tailed monitor/lizard. Nice looking little monitor, BTW. With it being so easy to look scientific names up on the Internet, I don't think anyone can be accused of "showing off [their] 'expert status.'"

In addition, even without a degree in herpetology, many people here ARE experts due to their long years of experience in herp-keeping and -breeding. Remember, expertise does not come only through formal education; it also comes through experience.

Each person here has a right to their own opinion, and we--hopefully--can agree to disagree respectfully when differences in opinion arise. We each bring many skills and talents and differences in approach to the forum, enriching the forum for all when we share ideas.

Hope to meet you again under better circumstances, medicinhed.

Roman, I hope the inflammatory behavior that has occurred here doesn't put you off the forum. While, like any group of people, we have our differences, in general the people here are great people. I have been given a LOT of support by people here, not only in herp-related issues, but also for some personal life crises. I hope you visit the forum enough to meet some of these great people and have some positive experiences!

Terranaut · 03-11-13, 09:19 AM

Ok. I will try to steer this back on track...
I don't think this is a good idea. Why? Not because I don't know the exact scientific names for my animals but because many new people do not. If your trying to learn about a corn snake and you are new (the people who need info the most) a search will most likely look like this "corn snake substrate" . We want the answers to be found in a search and the new person needs lessons in care not taxonomy. We all know a carpet is a morelia but if a new guy asks about a carpet I won't turn a blind eye because it doesn't read morelia. See what I mean. I think the keep it simple stupid thing here works much better.

KORBIN5895 · 03-11-13, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

So you guys had no other words? He just jumped in with both feet guns blazing

I honestly don't think we have talked before.

@Dan

His main reason for his discussion is because where he is from they use the scientific names more than our common names.... I assume. His ideas would be a great one if used like he described: the scientific name in addition with our common name for a species. Our threads would show up on more Google searches that way.