Monitors: Deserving of respect (xrays included) - Page 2

Pirarucu · 01-09-13, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

It's important to remember that these animals have been recently discovered to be venomous. Even a small monitor can make you physically ill, cause a lot of swelling, and possibly have some minor bleeding/clotting problems.

This. From what I've heard, albig bites are quite bad. Deep muscle pains, breaking with a cold sweat, etc.

War Machine · 01-09-13, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

This. From what I've heard, albig bites are quite bad. Deep muscle pains, breaking with a cold sweat, etc.

I've never been latched on by my albigs, but I can imagine it. I am super cautious with my varanid. Though I have caught a few tails. Albigs will whip before biting if they can.

Sorry to hear about your thumb Dino. Hopefully it's not enough to deter you from monitors :P

I can't wait for the ignorant, salvator keepers to experience this. All ignorant keepers for that matter. Serves em right.

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by War Machine

I've never been latched on by my albigs, but I can imagine it. I am super cautious with my varanid. Though I have caught a few tails. Albigs will whip before biting if they can.

Sorry to hear about your thumb Dino. Hopefully it's not enough to deter you from monitors :P

I can't wait for the ignorant, salvator keepers to experience this. All ignorant keepers for that matter. Serves em right.

While I agree ignorant keepers deserve some sort of wake up call i wouldnt wish this on anyone. When it happened it felts as if someone had removed my thumb from my body. I was shaking and crying and writhing in agony. I cannot describe how bad it felt. When the swelling kicked in the pain subsided some but kicked back when the swelling went down. I wouldnt wish that pain on anyone. It was so bad I almost passed out and threw up all at the same time. This will never make me go away from monitors if anything just a newer passion has kicked in of trying to understand them. He could have snapped my thumb in half but he didnt either out of luck or he only ment to cause me sue pain not injure me further. He threatens with a tail whip but never follows through this was the first time he even hinted at bitting med it wasnt even a quick bit he just kind of rolled his head back as if he was checking out my fingers and BOOM bite.

War Machine · 01-09-13, 10:20 AM

I've been tagged by my sav, and it hurt that's for sure, and the harder you try to remove it, the harder they bite lol. Be thankful he didn't do the death roll, I've seen my white throat do it to a sock he grabbed one time lol

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you fed him prior to biting? I can't go anywhere near the white throat until he's fed lol he bits anything in his path. Hands included! And he distinctly knows the difference between food and hand that's for sure lol

dinosaurdammit · 01-09-13, 10:30 AM

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I've been tagged by my sav, and it hurt that's for sure, and the harder you try to remove it, the harder they bite lol. Be thankful he didn't do the death roll, I've seen my white throat do it to a sock he grabbed one time lol

Out of curiosity, when was the last time you fed him prior to biting? I can't go anywhere near the white throat until he's fed lol he bits anything in his path. Hands included! And he distinctly knows the difference between food and hand that's for sure lol

he had already been fed i think i may have bothered his nose with the antibiotic cream. It wasnt a malicious bite or a hunger, it was more of a leave me the hell alone you filthy human

infernalis · 01-09-13, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by War Machine

Be thankful he didn't do the death roll

Just a heads up, even Savannah Monitors have that death roll down pat.

I have witnessed it myself, and it happens in a mere second or less.

BarelyBreathing · 01-09-13, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

This. From what I've heard, albig bites are quite bad. Deep muscle pains, breaking with a cold sweat, etc.

I've heard that, obviously besides komodos, the tree monitors were the worst. I've had some personal experiences to back that up, too.

philipniceguy · 01-09-13, 12:28 PM

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I've heard that, obviously besides komodos, the tree monitors were the worst. I've had some personal experiences to back that up, too.

take a bite from a salvadorii or varius and see LOL. I know there bites are bad force not sure but the damage is bad. I'm just lucky not to have taking a bite yet. though I met 4 people now with scars from salvadorii LOL

RandyRhoads · 01-09-13, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by varanus_mad

herbivore? as far as im aware theres no species of monitors thats a herbivore theres 3 that are frugivores.

Im assuming at this point your aware of the structure of a gila monsters jaw?

where the venom glands line up with the lower jaw?

Same thing in varanids...

why would they need that sort of structure?

The same study is saying iguanas are venomous too? What would be the purpose of that.....

Pirarucu · 01-09-13, 04:17 PM

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The same study is saying iguanas are venomous too? What would be the purpose of that.....

The study says that venom in reptiles developed a long time ago in a common ancestor. Iguanas and many other descendants may no longer possess this venom. It is costly to produce venom, so if it is not of benefit to the animal, the adaptation will vanish or go vestigial.
That said, venom could very easily serve a purpose in iguanas. Venom is not only for hunting and defense.. Venom can also be a digestive aid, or even help maintain oral hygiene. It's a mix of proteins that does something, and that something can be almost anything.

RandyRhoads · 01-09-13, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

The study says that venom in reptiles developed a long time ago in a common ancestor. Iguanas and many other descendants may no longer possess this venom. It is costly to produce venom, so if it is not of benefit to the animal, the adaptation will vanish or go vestigial.
That said, venom could very easily serve a purpose in iguanas. Venom is not only for hunting and defense.. Venom can also be a digestive aid, or even help maintain oral hygiene. It's a mix of proteins that does something, and that something can be almost anything.

That's cool BUT saliva contains proteins so if it's only used to aid digestion in a herbivore, what makes it true venom?

BarelyBreathing · 01-09-13, 04:34 PM

And remember, not all species of iguana are 100% herbivores.

RandyRhoads · 01-09-13, 04:37 PM

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And remember, not all species of iguana are 100% herbivores.

Point taken, but humor me, i'm trying to learn. When is something is classified as venom rather than saliva?

Pirarucu · 01-09-13, 04:37 PM

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That's cool BUT saliva contains proteins so if it's only used to aid digestion in a herbivore, what makes it true venom?

Venom is saliva. Venom glands are salivary glands, modified to produce saliva with a specific function. Truthfully it is a very blurred line. It could be argued that all saliva is venom.

RandyRhoads · 01-09-13, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pirarucu

Venom is saliva. Venom glands are salivary glands, modified to produce saliva with a specific function. Truthfully it is a very blurred line. It could be argued that all saliva is venom.

So there is no clear cut line. Thanks.

But that does make it strange that they can now classify monitors as venomous if that's the case. I see problems in buying and owning lizards in our future......