What to get? - Page 2

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

I'm not going to insult you but given what you have said in this thread and the mites thread you do honnestly need to spend some more time researching snakes and snake care. Sorry but its true. Sounds like you have owned 1 snake with mites and 1with an a RI. But hey your husbandry is spot on. Please read more and say less until you know what your talking about.

How so? I haven't had any health problems but one case of RI and mites. I should have actually treated the king with something to kill the eggs but I did not think about that so yes that is one mistake. Tell me what I don't know what I'm talking about? Last time I checked RI takes time to dissipate which it was for me, until I got mites. Then my boa was soaking in cold water which could have easily made his RI worse. Keep in mind RI never actually goes away completely and snakes that have had it have a higher chance of getting it again. Messing up once with getting mites is a common thing and it was a mistake but I'm confused on what I should research as I don't see much I've done wrong. Anything medical about my snakes I talk to an ex-vet about and I'm pretty damn sure she knows a lot more then most on this forum.

KORBIN5895 · 12-15-12, 08:53 AM

I doubt she does.

Wyldrose · 12-15-12, 09:20 AM

So was the snake with an URI taken to a actual Vet?

According to your signature you got the pastel bp? How is he doing? Are you quaratining him away from your king snake to prevent him from getting mites?

Terranaut · 12-15-12, 10:13 AM

Most vets know a lot about mamals but very few know much at all about reptiles. Getting mites is not a mistake but the treatment method you seem to have used is like using a sledge hammer to drive a trim nail. A mild RI is very treatable even without using drugs to do it. Bubbles and the symptoms you described are not a mild RI. Open mouth breathing is a first sign. Bubbles or drooling is much more serious. Cold water in a sbakes enclosure that has RI is not good care. Not trying to hammer you here but be a little more accepting to the info from this site. The people here mostly do know what they are talking about. Ask your vet what reptiles they own.

**Aaron_S** · 12-15-12, 11:35 AM

I've never heard of water somehow making an RI worse. I want to know where you get your information instead of just assuming things.

You know nothing about RI's. Did you get a culture done to see if it was bacterial or viral? Did you then get medication that was specific to that?

You're wrong about RI's. They can and DO go away. You're making excuses for your shoddy keeping.

dinosaurdammit · 12-15-12, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I've never heard of water somehow making an RI worse. I want to know where you get your information instead of just assuming things.

You know nothing about RI's. Did you get a culture done to see if it was bacterial or viral? Did you then get medication that was specific to that?

You're wrong about RI's. They can and DO go away. You're making excuses for your shoddy keeping.

My boa came with an RI, he didnt show any issues at the shop i got him from and the second I got home the open mouth began- much to my displeasure, called the shop they gave me a half refund. Took him to the vet the next morning, did a culture and it was bacteria. Lucky for me I already had a herp vet in mind to see my snake the day after I got him. His RI cleared up in about a week after a series of 3 shots. He hasnt had an issue since. Also the vet told me to bump up his humidity to help get the gunk out of his lungs. A warm moist air helps them hack up that nasty film.

Point is OP, get a HERP VET. Not just a regular vet but one for reptiles. Humidity DOES help. And RI's are completely TREATABLE. I think the total cost for EVERYTHING was about 120. That was the visit and the 3 rounds of shots. Not an issue since.

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wyldrose

So was the snake with an URI taken to a actual Vet?

According to your signature you got the pastel bp? How is he doing? Are you quaratining him away from your king snake to prevent him from getting mites?

She's a co-owner to a reptile store and was a vet previously. But yeah the pastel BP is doing good, letting him get used to his new environment and yes he is currently on the other side of the house. I have yet to see any mites on the king snake though so I hope he's cleared up.

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by dinosaurdammit

My boa came with an RI, he didnt show any issues at the shop i got him from and the second I got home the open mouth began- much to my displeasure, called the shop they gave me a half refund. Took him to the vet the next morning, did a culture and it was bacteria. Lucky for me I already had a herp vet in mind to see my snake the day after I got him. His RI cleared up in about a week after a series of 3 shots. He hasnt had an issue since. Also the vet told me to bump up his humidity to help get the gunk out of his lungs. A warm moist air helps them hack up that nasty film.

Point is OP, get a HERP VET. Not just a regular vet but one for reptiles. Humidity DOES help. And RI's are completely TREATABLE. I think the total cost for EVERYTHING was about 120. That was the visit and the 3 rounds of shots. Not an issue since.

The snake was almost completely good after one month of heat and humidity. He had a little mucus in his mouth but RI never fully clears up it always leaves the snake at a higher risk of getting it again (I'm not arguing about this, talk to a reptile specialist...). So I think which I am assuming is that when he got the mites he stressed out which does weaken the immune system and he was soaking in his water dish which could have easily cooled his temps down a lot making his RI worse. The ex-vet I know did work with reptiles by the way.

Lankyrob · 12-15-12, 05:45 PM

Answer the questions, WERE cultures taken? You seem to be avoiding it and as the person is an "ex" vet i would assume they have no access to labs etc. did they even look at the snake or just take your description and diagnose from that?

**Aaron_S** · 12-15-12, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

The snake was almost completely good after one month of heat and humidity. He had a little mucus in his mouth but RI never fully clears up it always leaves the snake at a higher risk of getting it again (I'm not arguing about this, talk to a reptile specialist...). So I think which I am assuming is that when he got the mites he stressed out which does weaken the immune system and he was soaking in his water dish which could have easily cooled his temps down a lot making his RI worse. The ex-vet I know did work with reptiles by the way.

I am one, thanks.

To my knowledge, it can go away if treated properly. You sir, did not. If you just treat the symptoms (as you did) then yes it can come back. If it's just bacteria then it's 100% curable as stated. Virus makes it more difficult.

Your mites must have been DISGUSTINGLY over populated for it be so quick acting.

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I am one, thanks.

To my knowledge, it can go away if treated properly. You sir, did not. If you just treat the symptoms (as you did) then yes it can come back. If it's just bacteria then it's 100% curable as stated. Virus makes it more difficult.

Your mites must have been DISGUSTINGLY over populated for it be so quick acting.

I didn't get any medication because all he had was popping and an occasional open mouth breathing. He was getting a lot better with just heat and humidity but I wasn't checking on him as much because of him being sick and I didn't want to stress him out. I only found a few on him even after soaking so they weren't that bad but there is a possibility I wasn't thorough enough.

You can't tell me though that from the mites and self soaking his RI couldn't have gotten worse.

Lankyrob · 12-15-12, 05:50 PM

How many days was he soaking for before you checked him?

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Answer the questions, WERE cultures taken? You seem to be avoiding it and as the person is an "ex" vet i would assume they have no access to labs etc. did they even look at the snake or just take your description and diagnose from that?

No culture but they did examine the snake in person recommending to raise temps because it was very minor. He was still eating as well.

About the soaking only one or two days.

**Aaron_S** · 12-15-12, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Corey209

I didn't get any medication because all he had was popping and an occasional open mouth breathing. He was getting a lot better with just heat and humidity but I wasn't checking on him as much because of him being sick and I didn't want to stress him out. I only found a few on him even after soaking so they weren't that bad but there is a possibility I wasn't thorough enough.

You can't tell me though that from the mites and self soaking his RI couldn't have gotten worse.

Never once heard of soaking making RI worse. This would be the first case. Especially if it magically happened within a day!

Your information doesn't add up.

Corey209 · 12-15-12, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Never once heard of soaking making RI worse. This would be the first case. Especially if it magically happened within a day!

Your information doesn't add up.

That was just my assumption like I had already said, his RI was getting better he got mites soaked in cold water then his RI had gotten worse.