what do you do with a f/t if the snake doesnt take it? - Page 2

KORBIN5895 · 12-08-12, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

snakes that are kept in a home with controlled environments are not subjected to the harshness of the wild and do not build the immunities and things that wild snakes would. would be terrible to have some bacteria pop up from letting it thaw and then refreezing and having it kill your snakewhereas it might not fade a wild snake. wild snakes eat roadkill and all kinds of nasty things but indoor snakes do not. that's my opinion. wild snakes are also full of parasites and things from the disgusting meals they eat.

i've had snakes not want to eat before and if none of the snakes eat it, i just toss it.

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i thought they didn't digest that stuff. isn't that what urates are? but i still say to each their own lol. just an opinion.

Have you ever seen them poop out a rat skull?

nick654377 · 12-08-12, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i thought they didn't digest that stuff. isn't that what urates are? but i still say to each their own lol. just an opinion.

are you serious about the urates? i hope your not even i know that is there pi**.

TeaNinja · 12-08-12, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Have you ever seen them poop out a rat skull?

of course the acid breaks it down, but is it "digested"? no.. everything that can't be digested comes out as a urate. (i think?)

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Originally Posted by nick654377

are you serious about the urates? i hope your not even i know that is there pi**.

of course....but is pee white....no. it contains all the extra calcium and stuff from bones that couldn't be digested.

nick654377 · 12-08-12, 09:05 PM

no urates are their pee. snakes absorb their pee in their kidneys again and drys it out and that is what is left of their pee is urates. from my understand me correct me if im wrong.

infernalis · 12-08-12, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

That's a nice thought and all but snakes can eat some pretty harsh stuff without any adverse effects. Their digestive system is way stronger than ours.

Precisely my friend... See the biggest issue is incorrect husbandry. Reptiles in general are pretty damn rugged animals. I have seen more than one snake in the wild with lawn mower injuries, bird attack injuries, big chunks missing and once I even found and picked up a snake that was missing half it's face (entirely healed over, looked like a very old injury.)

These animals are damn near bulletproof in nature, and if their not while in captivity, then husbandry is off.

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

snakes that are kept in a home with controlled environments are not subjected to the harshness of the wild and do not build the immunities and things that wild snakes would. would be terrible to have some bacteria pop up from letting it thaw and then refreezing and having it kill your snakewhereas it might not fade a wild snake. wild snakes eat roadkill and all kinds of nasty things but indoor snakes do not. that's my opinion. wild snakes are also full of parasites and things from the disgusting meals they eat.

i've had snakes not want to eat before and if none of the snakes eat it, i just toss it.

See above statement. If that controlled environment is not what the animal's physiology has evolved to live in, then immunities will be weakened.

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Originally Posted by TeaNinja

i thought they didn't digest that stuff. isn't that what urates are? but i still say to each their own lol. just an opinion.

also wayne, i would have to think humans have spent PLENTY of time building immunities for the things we ingest. i heard a story of people i knew who used to be super germ paranoid and cover their silverware with plastic and all this excessive stuff and apparently they got sick a lot lol.

Whatever amount of time "we" have had to "build immunities", reptiles have us beat by millions of years.

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I wonder frequently what a BP would do if it was in a cage identical to what my monitors live in, after all they are from the same part of Africa, I bet a BP would be a whole different snake in a big, hot, bioactive, humid enclosure with an Underground hide chamber with a burrow entrance.

**Aaron_S** · 12-08-12, 09:59 PM

Wayne and the Idiot are correct.

Personally, I just toss them as that's just my choice.

Wayne, after mentioning all the stuff you've seen some of these guys do it makes you wonder how soo many people baby their animals when they see them do almost anything but the "norm".

If we're talking reptiles on a whole, crocodillians lose LIMBS and are eating within minutes/hours later. They just go "meh, I walk funny now". These bodies are built to last.

infernalis · 12-08-12, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Wayne, after mentioning all the stuff you've seen some of these guys do it makes you wonder how soo many people baby their animals when they see them do almost anything but the "norm". .

Speaking of, there are thousands of BP out there being "babied" under screen tops on aspen shavings and NO hygrometer.

Lost count of the "stuck shed" threads.

Then they always die from "parasites" or "infections" uh huh....

**Aaron_S** · 12-08-12, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

Speaking of, there are thousands of BP out there being "babied" under screen tops on aspen shavings and NO hygrometer.

Lost count of the "stuck shed" threads.

Yeah, lots of animals. "My animal is so cute when he cuddles me." LAME!

KORBIN5895 · 12-09-12, 01:05 AM

Get used to it Aaron.

Little Wise Owl · 12-09-12, 02:38 AM

There is already a ridiculous amount of bacteria in a raw, dead feeder animal... A little more isn't going to do much to a healthy animal that is built to eat sometimes rotted, dead animals. If a snake gets ill from a refrozen feeder, it's being kept wrong or it is already ill.

If a snake doesn't show interest in a food item, I either leave it over night (it's usually gone in the morning). Sometimes if I'm 90% certain it will not be eaten, I feed it to the cats/dogs/ferrets/tegu. If no one wants it, I'd refreeze it immediately.

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They just go "meh, I walk funny now".

Rofl

KORBIN5895 · 12-10-12, 07:28 AM

So I had a rat order shipped on Monday the 26 th. It was a two box order and one of the boxes got lost. The company sent me a replacement box when the replacement box showed up on Thursday the 6th the lost box also showed up. Those rats had Been thawed and refrozen at least once because the weather was about 8°c. I live by the philosophy waste not want not. So two days ago I fed five of my boas out of those rodents and not a one hesitated or has had an issue.

infernalis · 12-10-12, 07:49 AM

I have accidentally fell asleep while thawing rodents for a night feeding, woke up in the morning and fed the mice off and that was almost a year ago.

Every animal that ate from that batch is still here and doing fine.

What I find odd, we have (and have had) hundreds upon hundreds of reptiles pass through this house, I keep nearly 50 reptiles and in almost a decade only two reptiles have ever had to see a vet.(Chomper & 1 snake with cysts), I have never had a full on "mite outbreak", emergency de-worming, MBD, nor any of these other maladies that I read about almost daily, why is that??

Lankyrob · 12-10-12, 08:01 AM

Cos you dont frequent reptile shows or shops and provide excellent husbandry and care?

**lady_bug87** · 12-10-12, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I have accidentally fell asleep while thawing rodents for a night feeding, woke up in the morning and fed the mice off and that was almost a year ago.

Every animal that ate from that batch is still here and doing fine.

What I find odd, we have (and have had) hundreds upon hundreds of reptiles pass through this house, I keep nearly 50 reptiles and in almost a decade only two reptiles have ever had to see a vet.(Chomper & 1 snake with cysts), I have never had a full on "mite outbreak", emergency de-worming, MBD, nor any of these other maladies that I read about almost daily, why is that??

You're a smarty pants?

infernalis · 12-10-12, 08:17 AM

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You're a smarty pants?

No, not really. I'm simply trying to point out that this whole "sterilize this, wash that" mentality is unnecessary and rather paranoid if you ask me.

My first ever captive snake was one my daughter found out in the meadow, we had no clue, were not on any forums to ask for help, we had a spare aquarium, so I dug up some sod and put dirt with live grass in the bottom of the 35 gallon and put in a water dish, a couple rocks from the creek, a stick from the yard...

I fed her wild caught food from outside my house, and even gave her a "friend" of the same species.

Xena lived roughly one year longer than her average life expectancy, and without a sterile environment.