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StudentoReptile · 09-02-12, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

THe problem i see with this is that WE may know it shouldnt be done, and what we do in our own homes with our own animals is our own business but when it is posted on a very well respected forum like this then inexperienced people see it, and unless we point out it is wrong then they wont know the difference.

There isnt much difference to an inexperienced mind from seeing them together for a picture and housing them together............

Ditto.

It doesn't matter what if the disclaimer is in 72 pt font, bold, underlined bright red text. Newbies will ignore it, and always see photos like this and think its okay.

jaleely · 09-01-12, 03:55 PM

I know. i didn't know how to express that. I just didn't want trollbie to feel bad or pounced upon.

i guess that's what i meant by emphasizing that you really have to know your animals, know the situation, and be very confident in the safety of it. I don't think just anyone or any animal should be put together, for sure.

rmfsnakes32 · 09-01-12, 04:13 PM

I still think its cute I of course would not do that with my milksnake he is a jerk to everyone lol

Trollbie · 09-01-12, 07:01 PM

Penelope is the one who came under his arm like that and then they both just sat there and stared at me lol. They weren't forced to pose for the photo, they just did it. They actually show no interest in each other. But like Jaleely said, I know them both enough... But to be honest, I believe that it doesn't make much difference if it's a snake and a gecko or 2 dogs. No animal is fully predictable.

I do realize that this picture could send the wrong message, so I will ask Wayne or Alessia to put a disclaimer in the original post.

alessia55 · 09-01-12, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

I do realize that this picture could send the wrong message, so I will ask Wayne or Alessia to put a disclaimer in the original post.

PM me with what ou think that disclaimer should be and I'll put it in there for you.

DragonsEye · 09-03-12, 12:10 PM

On the one hand it is indeed a cute picture, Trollbie. On the other, I have to side with Rob -- just not worth the risk. I must admit my first reaction was "Oh sh>>! I hope no one who sees this tries it out! A fast track to a dead gecko."

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

It doesn't matter what if the disclaimer is in 72 pt font, bold, underlined bright red text. Newbies will ignore it, and always see photos like this and think its okay.

Unfortunately, I think we all have met people who prove the truth of that statement.

exwizard · 09-03-12, 12:57 PM

Ok I'm not arguing with anyone here and the last thing I want is drama. Trollbie already knows all the implications of that pic. Further harping on her takes on more of a sense of condemnation than anything that could be learned from this in a constructive way. It is clear from this going back and forth that this is not the thing to do and I think this should stop now or risk further unnecessary condemnation. That is my opinion on this matter.

StudentoReptile · 09-03-12, 01:20 PM

"I know its wrong, but it makes a cute photo so I'm going to do it anyway. Then I'm going to post the photo on one of the most popular and respectable herp forums out there, and hope no one bites me a new one."

I'm sorry, but this is basically the mentality I'm seeing, and nothing personal, but I don't see the rationality behind it. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. I know it seems like everyone is coming down the OP as an attack, but we're just trying to emphasize the gravity of the mistake made. In the blink of an eye, or the time it takes to snap your fingers, or in the span it takes you to say "one Mississippi," that snake could have struck and coiled around that gecko. No photo, no matter how cute it is, is worth the risk IMHO.

Its one thing if you accidentally left a tub open and snake escaped. Oops. We've all had "oops' moments. Its not like they were cleaning out enclosures and accidentally put two animals in the same container. This was a deliberate action where the OP put a predator that naturally preys upon lizards in close proximity with a small lizard.

exwizard · 09-03-12, 01:30 PM

She already knows. We all know. Let's beat on this dead horse some more and bring even further condemnation why don't we?! Everyone knows Including Trollbie the gravity of it all.

shaunyboy · 09-03-12, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by exwizard

She already knows. We all know. Let's beat on this dead horse some more and bring even further condemnation why don't we?! Everyone knows Including Trollbie the gravity of it all.

i would'nt say it's condemnation,more forum members concern,regarding newbie's taking it the wrong way,also the lizards safety

i can't see anyone being cheeky/horrible,most folk agreed it was a cute picture,at the same time voiced concern

imo it's just folk giving their vauled opinions on the picture Trollbie posted

i'm NOT having a go,or trying to keep it going,merely pointing out i feel condemnations a bit harsh

cheers shaun

exwizard · 09-03-12, 02:50 PM

After the fact, it is Condemnation, especially when everyone already knows all the implications of the pic. Theres nothing that can be done about it now except condemn Trollbie even more or delete the thread. Short of that, shes already expressed regret. Theres nothing else she can do. This is why this needs to stop and stop now.

sherriwat · 09-03-12, 04:36 PM

thats a really super cute picture. loving it as that a pics not situation....

now i doo what your talking bout though everyone harping on her after she's admitted yes this was bad yes i made a mistake yes i regret it is exactly what turns people off from asking questions on here wanting educated people to help them.
for example this picture and my ted. i posted an update on ted. he techniqually my bf's snake. my bf hates plastic tote and absolutely refuses that as the best course for ted. so teds humidity is a constent battle ted has not yet had a perfect shed. i admitted this but had said i was pleased his sheds had gotten better rather than flaking off in small pieces it now comes off in 2 to 3 large pieces. but i am made to feel liek an absolutely horrible snake owner because i dont do better even though i do everything suggested. wet towl over top misting big water bowl baths ect.. i really cringe when i have questions because i dont want to ask and get harped at or post pictures and get harped at. yes tell me what im doing is wrong explain why but dont go on and on about it to the point that i feel like a bad snake owner from lack of information.
i also understand that theres alot of people come on here and ask questions and they just dont listen and its like banging your head off a keyboard. ok i get that thats frustrating but you know what just cause their being idiots doesnt mean people who actually care arent reading their question and your folks answers and learning something. though with some respondses and attitudes that come through sometimes they might feel apprehensions about asking questions themselves and being made to feel stupid or guilty. than in the end it's that persons snake or lizard that suffers from their fear of asked educated people that are suppost to be there for support and help.
and im just using my self as an example because i dont want to point fingers to other posts, but iv read so many threads from beginners that i though man that person just got chewed right out even after they'v agreed to do whatever changes has been suggested to them and been completely open to advice.
sorry i just had to post this because really guys this is a bit extreme especially to someone who already said she regretted taking the pics and posting it and understood the consequances.

Trollbie · 09-03-12, 05:24 PM

I don't regret taking the picture. And I don't regret posting it. I should have thought about it more before I posted it, but I don't regret it. I agree with everyone who says it may send the wrong message to newbies, but like Jaleely said, I've been around my animals long enough to be able to read their body language. Of course there is a chance that they could do something out of the ordinary, but I actually trust Penelope more than I trust my parents Jack Russel terrier...

exwizard · 09-03-12, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

I don't regret taking the picture. And I don't regret posting it. I should have thought about it more before I posted it, but I don't regret it. I agree with everyone who says it may send the wrong message to newbies, but like Jaleely said, I've been around my animals long enough to be able to read their body language. Of course there is a chance that they could do something out of the ordinary, but I actually trust Penelope more than I trust my parents Jack Russel terrier...

Well I trust your judgment and they are your pets and no one knows them better than you do.

StudentoReptile · 09-03-12, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollbie

I've been around my animals long enough to be able to read their body language. Of course there is a chance that they could do something out of the ordinary, but I actually trust Penelope more than I trust my parents Jack Russel terrier...

I'm curious what superior behavioral cues a snake will give you that a canine does not.

Dogs have some capacity of facial expression, which includes muscle movements of the lips, brow, ears, etc. not to mention their hair may stand on end and any sounds they may make, in addition to body posture.

In comparison, a snake has...only body posture?

I can tell you from experience that unless the snake is completely straightened out in a perfect line with no curves, it is capable of biting/striking. It doesn't have to be "hissing" or coiled up in a perfect S-position with the head and neck raised off the ground in order to strike at something. So I don't know what "body language" you think has to take place in order to feel good about the situation, but I assure, the snake doesn't have to offer it. Its practically like saying all rattlesnakes rattle when approached. Its hogwash.