Opinion on BP morphs - Page 2

Gungirl · 09-13-11, 08:43 AM

I know you where thinking either breeding BP's or Corn's.. May I ask why you decided to breed Bp's instead?

TalonNC · 09-13-11, 12:06 PM

Sine we are talkin Morphs here....and i don't want t clutter p with additional topics mind if i ask a few Morph questions?

1. What is the TOP end morph right now?
2. Why do spider some morphs "wobble"?
3. What is a "visual" het?
4. Are there any any Black or Red morphs?

stephanbakir · 09-13-11, 12:09 PM

There is no "top end morph" There are lots of higher end morphs, and the most valuable herps tend to be the animal with the largest collection of full genes

youngster · 09-13-11, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gungirl

I know you where thinking either breeding BP's or Corn's.. May I ask why you decided to breed Bp's instead?

I'm not really sure. My little corn is awesome but I like BP morphs more along with a few other things.

Snakefood · 09-13-11, 12:11 PM

A visual het is a normal looking snake which has certain markings on the ventral (as far as I know, usually along the tail end) that is a visual marker that the animal is "het" for a certain gene (or morph)

youngster · 09-13-11, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TalonNC

Sine we are talkin Morphs here....and i don't want t clutter p with additional topics mind if i ask a few Morph questions?

1. What is the TOP end morph right now?
2. Why do spider some morphs "wobble"?
3. What is a "visual" het?
4. Are there any any Black or Red morphs?

1. Many
2. Something with the genes
3. There's homozygous and heterozygous, homozygous means possessing the gene and displaying it fully. Het means carries the gene but not showing it. With some morphs there's visual hets which mean (I think) it displays some of the gene but not all.
4. Suma, super cinnamon are pretty dark. There's many, not sure about red though.

Gungirl · 09-13-11, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by youngster

I'm not really sure. My little corn is awesome but I like BP morphs more along with a few other things.

Fair answer..

Ch^4 · 09-13-11, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by youngster

I'm definitely breeding this year. My local shop has an adult male spider for only $125. So I might get him and a normal female and breed them. And by the way Brylecc That's been the best case scenario in my head since the beginning I love bumblebees as well. The only problem is that it's out of my budget.

Not to be a downer, but if a bumblebee is out of your price range, how are you going to afford to breed? Bumblebees run $300-500 "ish..."

You need to plan on housing--individually--4, 6, 8, even 10+ ball pythons for at least a few months while getting everyone started. This is just to get them started; what if you can't even sell half the clutch? Any of the clutch? You need an incubator (unless you plan on maternal incubation), food for everyone, husbandry supplies (i.e., substrate, furnishings, cleaning), money for potential vet visits, etc.

Breeding is a big responsibility and a large commitment financially, temporally, and spatially. No one can tell you if you're ready to breed--that's for you to decide. But it's not going to be an inexpensive endeavor.

Hopefully I didn't kill your morale, but I wanted to shed some light on reality. And if you really want to pursue the bumblebee project, buy a nice 2011 female pastel hatchling, raise her up for 2-3 years, and buy a nice double or triple gene male that has spider in it (down the road). Then you can go for a 4-banger your first season...

Valvaren · 09-14-11, 10:01 AM

^ I do completely agree like I said you really have to plan ahead and make sure you have all your bases covered if you can't afford good quality animals its going to be hard to sell them, and you do have to house and feed them and make sure they are healthy which includes vets like stated above and the housing. This is what gets me about breeding and especially people who get into breeding animals like Bearded Dragons that have very very large clutches. Really really plan and think this through you don't want to get stuck with the crappy end of the stick :|

youngster · 09-14-11, 10:03 AM

Everyone, I want to make this clear. I am NOT going to make this into a breeding business. This is for a school project. It wouldn't make any sense at all to have a long term business like this before college. I have developed a full-scale plan as part of the project.

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Originally Posted by Ch^4

Not to be a downer, but if a bumblebee is out of your price range, how are you going to afford to breed? Bumblebees run $300-500 "ish..."

You need to plan on housing--individually--4, 6, 8, even 10+ ball pythons for at least a few months while getting everyone started. This is just to get them started; what if you can't even sell half the clutch? Any of the clutch? You need an incubator (unless you plan on maternal incubation), food for everyone, husbandry supplies (i.e., substrate, furnishings, cleaning), money for potential vet visits, etc.

Breeding is a big responsibility and a large commitment financially, temporally, and spatially. No one can tell you if you're ready to breed--that's for you to decide. But it's not going to be an inexpensive endeavor.

Hopefully I didn't kill your morale, but I wanted to shed some light on reality. And if you really want to pursue the bumblebee project, buy a nice 2011 female pastel hatchling, raise her up for 2-3 years, and buy a nice double or triple gene male that has spider in it (down the road). Then you can go for a 4-banger your first season...

I'm aware of the responsibilities behind breeding. I have worked out a plan with my parents and they are all for it. A bumblebee wouldn't make very much sense for this project. My dad has a barn full of woodworking tools so we are building the enclosures for the parents and the rack for the babies at little to no cost.

**lady_bug87** · 09-14-11, 10:18 AM

Not that I am planning on breeding my ball anytime soon BUT I have a question, all this gene stuff is confusing to me... soo my question is:...

1) how do I know if my male is truly 'normal' (now he looks mostly like a normal ball but the tan stripe on his back is kind of yellowey-green and along his sides he has a bit more yellow than some of the pictures I have seen he may be completely normal I have no idea I bought him from a petstore.... scandalous I know!)
2) what happens if he is normal and I breed him with a morph

youngster · 09-14-11, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Not that I am planning on breeding my ball anytime soon BUT I have a question, all this gene stuff is confusing to me... soo my question is:...

1) how do I know if my male is truly 'normal' (now he looks mostly like a normal ball but the tan stripe on his back is kind of yellowey-green and along his sides he has a bit more yellow than some of the pictures I have seen he may be completely normal I have no idea I bought him from a petstore.... scandalous I know!)
2) what happens if he is normal and I breed him with a morph

Depends on what morph. This is a great tool. Genetic Wizard 3.0 - World of Ball Pythons

**Aaron_S** · 09-14-11, 11:01 PM

If you bought it as a normal, then it's a normal. Something pretty cool about ball pythons is that the normal can still vary greatly.

For what it would make when bred to a morph that link provided is a very useful tool.

SkYyaMe1623 · 09-15-11, 07:29 AM

Any "bee" morph. Nothing compares.

**lady_bug87** · 09-15-11, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SkYyaMe

Any "bee" morph. Nothing compares.

yea I was looking at the tool, I was just curious because I know that when you cross things the hets appear to be visual normals so they would sell them as normals right?