venomous??? - Page 2

Damion930 · 04-01-11, 11:59 AM

Lol no joke he's the leading researcher in his feild Aaron s touched on what he sez and that's that though they contain venom most is not harmfull to humans or they do not have the means to deliver it to us but others do thers info on him and his studys all over the placehttp://www.venomdoc.com/
the interveiw I read is on another forum am I alowed to link to that?

Damion930 · 04-01-11, 12:14 PM

I think the term venomous is kinda misleading in the sence that we associate it with dangerous but bees spiders and mosquitos have venom it just wont hurt us unless we havean allergic reaction

Damion930 · 04-01-11, 12:50 PM

http://www.venomdoc.com/venomdoc/Sci...an_Arsenal.pdf
http://www.venomdoc.com/downloads/20...era_review.pdf

reptile65 · 04-01-11, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

Corns are not venomous, garters are POISONOUS (one of only three snakes in the world that are) but not venomous.

I'm pretty sure garters are indeed mildly venomous.

Lankyrob · 04-01-11, 02:10 PM

Not sure about that, they are definitely poisonous tho. Wayne arre your lil guys venomous and poisonous??

whoaxmary · 04-01-11, 03:26 PM

Lol, where is wayne? - I'm very curious to hear more about all this~

stephanbakir · 04-01-11, 03:59 PM

I'm curious to know as-well lol, I've been catching garters since before I could walk and this is the first I hear of this lol.

red ink · 04-01-11, 04:06 PM

I was going by the classification of colubridae for corn snakes (as I don't or will ever own one) being venomous. My understnding of the colubridae is being rear fanged venomous snake.

Damion930 · 04-01-11, 05:13 PM

Read page 8/9 second paragraph I belive it talks about garters http://www.kingsnake.com/toxinology/...rotoxicity.pdf

blindfireak40 · 04-01-11, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by red ink

I was going by the classification of colubridae for corn snakes (as I don't or will ever own one) being venomous. My understnding of the colubridae is being rear fanged venomous snake.

Ah, see that's where the inaccuracy lies...in one of his articles, the statement is made to the effect that although all colubrids possess the GLANDS, the constricting colubrids entirely lack the TEETH for envenomation (they are not even rear-fanged). Thus, they are not venomous, as the ability to envenomate is part of the definition.

Garters and Hoggies, however, do have the rear-fangs to deliver their (admittedly mild) venom.

Shmoges · 04-01-11, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by red ink

I was going by the classification of colubridae for corn snakes (as I don't or will ever own one) being venomous. My understnding of the colubridae is being rear fanged venomous snake.

lol thats not a very good reason to not own a corn snake. they are wonderful snakes

I bet you just like bigger snakes. Or have I misread your parenthesized statement?

colender · 04-01-11, 10:27 PM

im looking into getting a poisonous snake like vipers and i was wondering if anyone could give me some input on the subject, ive had about 13 years of experience with snakes.

red ink · 04-02-11, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shmoges

lol thats not a very good reason to not own a corn snake. they are wonderful snakes

I bet you just like bigger snakes. Or have I misread your parenthesized statement?

Don't and will never own them as I'm Australian....

percey39 · 04-08-11, 07:26 AM

Just seen this thread and none of you guy's have mentioned the boomslang ( Dispholidus typus ) yet. This snake is a member of the colubridae and has the potential to kill a human quite easily ( especially if left untreated ) and has done so in the past. Their venom is hemotoxic and will cause internal bleeding and bleeding through any oriface.
Their venom is slow acting but can definetely be fatal within 2-6 hours, their venom yield is very small but due to the nature of the toxin the symptoms can often be perceived as a day to day annoyance ( ie headaches and sleeplessness ). Often left untreated as the victim does not believe they are suffering due to the envenomation. Accurate accounts for the statistics of bites/envenomation and the amount of deaths attributed to the boomslang are non existant due to their location and the amount of deaths annually in the area that have been uninvestigated over the years.

Venomous and poisonous are two completely different things. Poisonous means that something is potentially deadly when ingested ( eaten ), whilst venomous means that something is potentially deadly when injected ( directly into the blood stream )

stephanbakir · 04-08-11, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by colender

im looking into getting a poisonous snake like vipers and i was wondering if anyone could give me some input on the subject, ive had about 13 years of experience with snakes.

If you are serious about it, get a mentor to teach you the ropes and get a few years of experience with hots under your belt. As a candian you cant own a venomous snake, but we do have a rattlesnake native to canada.

That being said, I have about 15 years experience with snake, and when i was 10 i started catching more dangerous herps, caught lots of vipers in the wild and after learning some hard lessons, DON'T ever handle a hot unless you need to, its a risk that generally isn't worth taking.

I'm not saying don't do it, im just saying that if you are serious about it, take the proper steps and do it correctly or you are taking a huge risk..