Cat attacked my snake....

[.derek.]

WOW.the whole reason i left this site a year or so back after being here over 2 years was that if someone said something to "hurt someones feelings" it was like a lynch mob to like the poster above said bash the basher.i am glad to see at least one other person agrees with me.i think the original posters feeling should be the last thing to worry about here.the safety of the snake and any other animals that they own should be paramount.let us not forget that if this "mistake" happened and it could have been a 10 foot burm the cat is also in grave danger.it is both the cats instinct to see what is going on in every part of the house and the snakes instinct that the snake will defend its self. luckily neither animal has died (yet).i personally have 2 cats and i know if there is even one thing that the cat should nt do unless it is secured or blocked (like closing the snake room door all together or securing the enclouser properly) the cat can and will find that thing so it is the owners responsibilty to make sure the cat does'nt have the means to get it.like i said if my posts angered them to the point they will think about my posts when closing lids and they dont make the mistake again them i was succseful.im not sorry and if i am unpopular on an internet forum but if it saves either a snakes or a cats life then i hope i am the most hated.at least one other person gets my point. im sure they are upset that there snake got hurt but it was no one else fault but theres, so if i have sharp words then tough luck.there is no point in jaunting over what some says might hurt someones feeling the most important thing is my point clearly got across.and for the people who say im rude who was the one that is swearing at people calling them a$$holes?sure wasnt me. normal people find cursing more disrespectful than someone speaking there mind.but i guess since THERE snake got attacked by THERE cat from THEM leaving it unsecure somehow that makes THEM the victim. sorry but mabye my mind is clouded from my love of animals but isnt the snake and cat more of a victim than that person is?i sure think so.in fact the person is not a victim in any way so i am not going to just say "oh poor you ,better luck next time".no im the type of person to say "oh poor snake mabye next you should be more careful and dont let yourself make a mistake".if people find that rude than crown me king if rudeness.BUT i am sure it was not intentional in which case i would have left it to my original post but then people come on here swearing at me and calling me rude so now i post to defend my self.if you dont like it then dont come on here making posts about me and i wont have to come back to defend my position.this is my last post on this thread unless someone comes on and posts about me or my position then i will make as many posts as it takes to defend myself because i am not in the wrong in anyway.if you are going to dislike me then do it but dont come on here to tell me i am rude because i dont care. if you are to take away anything from my posts let it be to double mabye even triple check everything is secure before you leave it. and dont get me wrong i would rather not be hated but if that is what it takes to get my point across i will GLADLY take it.if i offened anyone who is a responsible herper then for that i am sorry but if i offended anyone who will think twice and avert another "mistake" then i am very glad indeed. i didnt expect everyone to agree with my harsh post but i must say i am surprised only 2 other people agreed that the safety of animals should go before the emotional feelings of a person. so thank you dannyc and djcoreyd for seeing my point.

[ottawaguy]

I think derek that we've all seen your point....repeatedly....
I think it is time to let it rest....it happened...it cost him alot of money and i'm sure that it won't happen again.
I also have 2 cats and they have never gotten at my snakes because...yes, I double check to make sure that the lids are secure and now most of them are in a rack anyway...
I think we can move on...
:hammer:

[gonesnakee]

Its kinda sad to watch a simple question about a vet trip turn into "flame war". We all know that the Cat shouldn't have got at the snake, that is pretty obvious to everyone, but to keep continually pointing it out doesn't make you an internet hero, it just makes you look like a more of an immature Tool with each post. The person knew they screwed up long before posting here, they posted to ask if the treatment recv. was the best it could have got & if not what else could be done. To keep throwing it in their face doesn't help or change anything. Except maybe to discourage someone from seeking help from others here & possibly not be informed of something that could help save their snake. I for one think much more of them to be able to admit their mistake on open forum & be subject to attacks from folks stating the blatantly obvious, then I do of those that have nothing better to contribute other than "you screwed up dummy", but hey lets do our best to just put folks down & just keep reminding them they screwed up when they ask for help. That will help the herp world become a much better place now won't it LOL Lets go out of our way to try & make it so no one asks for help or info for fear of being scorned & riddiculed. Flame On though if thats what does it for ya! Mark

[.derek.]

im really getting tired of repeating myself. if you can properly read i said i was happy to leave it at my original post until people come on here talking about me and my opionions.it seems its you people you cant let it go.so i will say it again for the mentally slow.dont post about me or my opinions and i wont post on this thread again.i dont know how many times i have to keep saying the same things over and over before people realize.you dont want me to keep going on about the subject then why do you people keep making posts about me???hopefully it wont take much longer for you people to see i could not care less about your opinions about me.this is an internet forum which is a shadow of what this site used to be so you people are honestly wasting your time.if they didnt want positive and negative feedback they shouldnt have posted on a public forum in a country that promots free speech.its not my fault if people get offended by people on the internet like some people clearly have.if all you people want me to stop writing about this then dont make more posts on here about me or my posts.its as simple as that. this thread is a waste of my time so i would apreciate you people stop posting about me so i can forget about it and stop forcing me to come back and defend myself for excersising my right to free speech.like i said before but apparently i need to repeat my self. if you dont like what i said then tough luck its not my problem and a could not care less.i dont know what else i need to say.dont make posts of my posts and i will have no need or want to make more posts on this thread.period.

[gonesnakee]

So its OK for you to post about someone being a fool, but not OK for others to post pointing you out to be a Tool? LMAO Better post again to make sure you get the last word in Mark
P.S. freedom of speech works for everyone there Lad if you don't want to hear opinions back, quit spewing them up Nuff Said!

[reptiles4me]

Good points in both your posts gone...couldn't have said it better.

[geckoguy157]

ya i dont think you can understand either sure he shoudl have checked the cage evryone makes mistakes its unavoidable i think your just being ridculous saying you will never acidentaly leave a cage door open. thats liek saying you will never forget to wear your seat belt whiel driving or something liek that evryone is boudn to forget or make a slip up. Ive been keeping reptiles for proably 10 years now and have had many reptiles and have worked for very highly respected breeders and they have made mistakes left a cage open by acident and it wasnt because they didnt care about there animals. it was just an acident.

[Ash19]

[QUOTE=djcoreyd]

Owning a Cat and a Snake in the same house is stupidity in the first place! QUOTE]

I don't agree with this at all. As long as you are a responsible owner there is no reason why you can't or shouldn't own both of these lovely animals. I own 4 CATS and a snake and neither have been hurt by the other or even come into close contact. So maybe think twice before you go telling ppl they are stupid for owning 2 different animals in the same house.
endless, that's too bad about your snake. Yes, ppl do make mistakes. I know you realize you made one. Good for you. I do see derek's opinion. But you came on here for information to help rectify that mistake. Luckily some ppl understand that.

[djcoreyd]

ASH19-

So maybe think twice before you go telling ppl they are stupid for owning 2 different animals in the same house.

I did not call anyone stupid for keeping cats and reptiles! I said it was stupidity! Thats my OPINION, but I do agree with you in a sense.....if you are extremely resposible and cautious(not in this case); but still like sleeping with a loaded gun under your pillow!

So I will re-phrase it "It is plain stupidity to house cats and reptiles in the same house if you are a unresponsible person!"

And because of Derek I feel that this topic has reached MANY people and these people will check there cages twice tonight and hopefully from now on! So in a sense Derek has possibly saved some animals from a fatality!

cheers

[tonyj]

Holy smokes!

I'm really pleased for **** Cheney's sake that he didn't didn't post here asking us for advice.

"There are two kinds of snake owners, those that have had a snake escape, and those that will have a snake escape..... "(Anon.)

[geckoguy157]

all derek has made me realize is why i havnt come on this site for a while before now. and tony j that quote is very true

[.derek.]

i never said "you dont have a right to post here" i said if you people are so eager that i dont post as you all apperantly are then dont post messages about me. is my writing so hard to understand.i was the one being told to leave it alone and move on thats why i said if you dont want me to post then dont post about me. im more than happy to carry on this debate for months because i have done nothing morally or legally wrong so i have no problem arguing my point for like i said as long as it takes to defend myself.not one person here is going to make me change my opionion of who was at fault in the "mistake". if you guys want to sit around this forum feeling sorry for yourselves and each other when it was no else's fault but themselves is naive.so if you peole are going to post about something i said, dont keep crying when i keep posting to defend myself.it just makes you look like an idiot.i am not posting personal comments of people but thats what you people are doing about me . WHEN WILL YOU REALIZE I DONT CARE WHAT YOU THINK OF ME???so save everyones time by stop posting what you think about me or i will start making personal attacks on anyone who does it to me.i have given fair warning to leave me from your posts if you dont want me to post.so anyone else who posts about me personally will get the favour returned so you can see how little someone on the internets opinion matters to you.mabye then you will realize its a waste of my time to even read on through your post when you start talking about me.talk about the original post or dont complain when i keep posting about you.i am still yet to see where any of you have proved that it was anyone else fault but the original poster.unless you can do that save your time.and to all the idiots saying "i cant believ you've never made a mistake and left a cage open" well im sorry to dissapiont you but no i am not an idiot.i can in fact have the brain function and motor skills to close a clasp.it really isnt that hard.i have infact made many mistakes through life but never has one ever almost cost a life and never have i been forgivin so easily.so before any else posts think a few minutes so you dont post another useless post in a long line it seems.and who ever said i need to get the last word in clearly has'nt read my posts.if you dont post about me then i wont post about this stupid thread.you people want to debate the original post then be my guest i will leave this thread for you people to waste your time with.i would love nothing more for either the thread to be locked so i dont have to take the time to come to the crummy site to defend my self or people stoped posting of me and i will be glad to leave. ever since jeff sold this site a while back it has turned to absolute crap.both in the quality of the posts and the quality of the posters.leave me out of your thread and i will gladly use the other 3 herp forums that actually have people that can read proprerly on it.

[Leolord]

It sounds like your vet did a adiquet job considering he has almost no expierience with herps so it sounds like your snake will be fine.

--Matt--

[Ash19]

derek, I think everyone is reading your posts fine. The thing is, they're not saying that the person wasn't at fault. Clearly they are. And they realize that, as does everyone else. They're just saying that the person came on for advice to help the snake. Not to help them realize their mistake. Everyone is just saying you don't need to attack the person, as I'm sure it was not your original intent I have never made the mistake of leaving my tank open. And I never willl because I KNOW I have cats and I KNOW a couple will try to get to the snake.
djcoreyd, calm down lol You did not call anyone stupid DIRECTLY. I realize that.
What you did say was that owning both animals under the same roof was stupidity, which is like saying the person's choice was stupid. You also never mentioned it being stupidity if the person is irresponsible, so how could I have known what you meant? It's fine that that's your opinion. I agree. For irresponsible ppl, it is a bad choice. Some ppl however, know they can handle it. Like me :thumbsup:

[.derek.]

of course it was'nt my intent.i just get devensive when people attack me verbally.i think we all need to calm down because the tempers are definatly flaring.lets just all agree it was a mistake.it should'nt have happened.i did what i thought would leave the biggest impression to try and avoid any mistakes.lets just leave it at that.i really dont feel like arguing a moot point.we all love herps or else we would not be here.