Horrible situation. - Page 2

peterm15 · 04-10-05, 09:54 PM

just use 2 rubbermaids ( or another 10 gallon tank) with papertowel substrate and limited furnature just the basics... 3 hides 1 cool 1 warm 1 humid.. and heat pad under them... or any other possible heating.. just a really simple enclosure... well you know hot to care for leos.. so just do these 2 seperate from yours and seperate from eachother for a debateable periode of time.. some say 30 some say 60 some say 90.... just check for sickness, parasites, worms, mites, ect... clean regulary and youll be fine...

ive never done it either but my life basicly consits of houseing saving up for and reasearching reptiles and care needs.. i have a list of what to get...

so far on the list theres 3 types of geckos and about 10 or 11 total.. im prob gonna try to get them at one time off one person so im doin alot of reading right now

RobV · 04-10-05, 11:19 PM

And don't forget to wash your hands thouroughly between cages - if the new guys have anything, you don't want to pass it on to your own collection. As a matter of fact, some people prefer to keep quarantine cages in a completely separate room from their others guys and gals - which is also a good idea (space permitting)
good luck
Rob

TryToForget · 04-12-05, 11:18 AM

Thanks you guys. I think that I will keep the cages in a separate room and I did talk to Danie and I asked her if I could borrow her 10 gallon that the leos are in now. She said yes that and that I can most likely have it because no one will notice. That's so horrible. I'm glad that I'm getting them out of there this weekend. Does anyone know about metobolic bone disease? I was told by someone here and on another forum that that might be what the crested gecko has. I just kind of wondering if it's anything that can be cured so I don't have to euthanize him.

-Jamie

Boakid · 04-12-05, 11:46 AM

I dont know what MBD is exept its weakness of the bones from lack of calcium ? Also wat about the ball python and the iguana, whats happening to them? Oh yes congrats again on saving the leos and best of luck with the others

TryToForget · 04-12-05, 01:16 PM

I know for a fact that they wouldn't give up the ball pythons and iguana. I really hate to say that but I know it's true. The only reason why Danie is giving me the leos is because she hates them and the only reason she is giving me the crested is because it's going to die anyways. I know that they like the other reptiles a lot more and it was a struggle just to get the ones that they don't like...

-Jamie

HeatherRose · 04-12-05, 01:27 PM

The MBD sounds REALLY far gone. Tremors are a bad sign, but you might have a chance.

I've dealt with MDB in cresteds, I recommend (this was prescribed by a vet) the following:

-liquid calcium, 2 drops or 2cc's a day. (available at a pet store or vet)

-vitamin power, such as emeraid powder (available at vets only) to be stirred into baby food and fed with a syringe if they won't eat it.

-a UVB light, 12 hours a day.

This has worked for me, and I've let other people know what I did and it's helped at least a few people's MBD-stricken cresties...

Good luck.

PS - a trip to the vet got me the emeraid powder, liquid calcium (raspberry flavour), a check up and an xray for only 60$ CDN.

TryToForget · 04-12-05, 01:58 PM

I don't know the extent of the severity with the crested right now because I haven't seen him yet. I've just been told that he has a broken jaw and has really bad tremors. She told me that his jaw is totally disaligned and I'm thinking that he's been like that for at least a couple of weeks. I can't get him until saturday either so that's even longer to wait

. From the sound of it I think he might be too far gone. I would spend the money if I knew that I would be able to cure him for sure because I don't have a lot of money to be spending. It's 45 dollars for a first time evaluation at the vet that I go to. And like I said I already spent around 150 on my leo that I had to have euthanized..
This really sucks..
Thank you for the information though Heather. If he isn't as bad off as Danie's making it out to be I'll try to help him out I really will.

-Jamie

HeatherRose · 04-12-05, 02:41 PM

The jaw might not actually even be 'broken', but floppy and soft. That's how mine was. You could bend it backwards if you tried.

You could skip the vet, and just find a way to get the calcium in him (even powdered, its something) and vitamin d3.

If you've got herps already, you've probably got a UV light and the calcium and d3 hanging around too. You could probably fix him up for free.

Good luck again

TryToForget · 04-13-05, 05:05 PM

Big problem...

So Danie got kicked out of her house by her dad and isn't allowed back. The only way that I was going to be able to go over there and get them was if she was there because her parents don't know about me taking them. Now I really don't know what to do. I was thinking about calling her mom and talking to her about it but she's only home on mondays and tuesdays. So I was going to call her dad but I don't know if he's going to want to talk to me considering I'm one of Danie's friends and they got into an argument.. blah blah.. Do you guys think it's a good idea to call and tell him that the geckos are going to die if I don't take them and offer him money just incase? I am getting really stressed out about all of this

. It's becoming a lot harder then I thought it was going to be...

-Jamie

TryToForget · 04-13-05, 06:23 PM

Sorry about asking questions like that, I'm just really nervous about calling. I'm thinking about just calling her little brother who's 13 and talking to him about it.

Also I was thinking about the different reptiles that they've had since I've known them. This is probably going to make people even more upset about this situation. I'll just make a little list. This shocked me a lot when I realized how many they've had and why they've died.

1. Columbian red tail boa - Killed itself literally. Neil woke up and found it dead in it's cage. It had bitten it's own neck and commited suicide..
2. Juv. iguana - I'm not really sure why it died. I'm thinking because it was always in a 30 gallon tank, didn't have a heat source, and they probably didn't feed it much. It was really mean and they used to make it really stressed out. I know Danie was happy when it died and I bet everyone else was..
3. Leopard gecko - I'm almost positive that it died from sand impaction. They let it just get skinner and skinner until it died without care to do anything about it.
4. I know that they've had around 3 different frogs. They've all died but I don't know what from.
5. Ball python - Is still alive but go a HUGE infection on her stomach and almost died. She wasn't shedding right because they don't help them have good sheds or anything. I guess they said it was because she couldn't shed the skin off of her stomach. They did separate her from the other one and put neosporin on her. She's supposedly healed now.
6. Water dragon - Most likely died from mouth rot, them not caring, and not feeding it. It was in there basement for the longest time probably just waiting to die.

There could be more that I can't think of but that's what I have so far.

-Jamie

PS I'm calling Neil and talking to him in a couple of minutes. I'll update again after I talk to him. Sorry about all of the replies..

HeatherRose · 04-13-05, 06:54 PM

These people seem to be a bit disturbed to say the least. Have you tried the SPCa yet?

peterm15 · 04-13-05, 07:12 PM

ya id say shes out so call...

TryToForget · 04-13-05, 07:30 PM

Well I just called and it went well actually. We talked for about a half hour. He actually wants me to take the geckos. He said that he trys to get the crested to eat but he only eats a little bit. I told him that I might be able to cure him and he really wants me to help. I guess there is only one leopard gecko now because the other one died. The one that's still alive wouldn't let the other one eat so it died. The survivor isn't doing that well because supposedly it wouldn't eat for a while and has a skinny tail.

On a good note. One of the ball pythons has ate 8 mice in the past couple of weeks and is getting fatter. The other one has only ate a few. But the good news is that they are feeding them. He also said that he's going to buy them a heating pad and I didn't even have to say anything. He brought it up himself. I'm really happy about that.

I'm going to get the geckos this weekend for sure. For some reason I seriously think that Danie was making up excuses as to why I couldn't go and get them. But whatever because Neil is cool with it and he's basically the owner.

-Jamie

Nicky · 04-14-05, 06:08 PM

First off hats off to you Jamie, I can only imagine how hard it must be to stand up to a close friend like that. I think it's great that your trying to turn the situation around and wish you the best of luck. Heather's advice about mbd was great and I really hope that the crestie will pull through for you. Keep us updated and if you have any more questions i'm sure everyone here will be willing to help. I'd also like to say hats off to the members who have answered questions it really makes this site worth coming to.
Hang in thier

Kayla

TryToForget · 04-14-05, 07:14 PM

Thanks Kayla and thanks everyone who helped. I really hope that I can help the crested and from the sounds of it the leo is going to need some help too. I'll probably end up coming back asking for help like I always do lol. Everyone here always helps so much and I really appreciate it.

-Jamie