Nurseries - Page 2

Double J · 01-22-05, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by HeatherRose
Double J, have you ever witnessed any squabbles or injuries when they're housed together? How long do you keep them together for?

The only thing I have ever witnessed in my setups was during feeding time, they would all scramble towards the crickets. Where the problem occurred (though rarely) was when they would grab onto each other, thinking their siblings were twigs for climbing on. At the worst, the chameleon that was the grab-ee would squirm for a second or two, while the other realized that they were holding onto another. Now, this is fairly rare, and I have NEVER seen any injuries, flaring up, or biting as a result. The squirm usually does the trick immediately, and both chams go feeding on their merry way. Now, I must stress, this is a rare incidence at best, and is the worst thing to have ever happened... but is of little concern nonetheless. The more twigs and fake plants that you place in the tank, the lower the chance is of this happening.

meow_mix450 · 01-22-05, 12:57 AM

How do you guys deal with fruitflies?

Meow

HeatherRose · 01-22-05, 01:00 AM

Thanks Double J...

Meow, you can buy flightless fruit fly cultures at Petsmart for $14.99.

Double J · 01-22-05, 10:01 AM

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Originally posted by meow_mix450
How do you guys deal with fruitflies?

Meow

Here is a great link to some information on fly culturing.
This is the recipe I have used for ages.

http://www.understoryenterprises.com/culturing.htm

The most important thing with culturing flies is to have escape proof lids, as if flyers invade your culture, it is pooched.
The most reliable lid system for most people is mason jars and coffee filters. Double up the coffee fliters, and screw them onto the jar with the lid ring that comes with the mason jars. This keeps flyers out, and is cost effective.

Good luck

meow_mix450 · 01-22-05, 11:25 AM

lol sorry i didnt explain what i meant. Umm my fruit flies can climb on glass and i was wondering how you dealed with that when feeding you chameleons so they wont escape?

Meow

galad · 01-22-05, 12:16 PM

meow try putting the fruit flies in the fridge before you feed them so they cool own a bit and pretty much go to sleep like the meal worms then dump them into the enclosure. IN a couple minutes they will warm up and be buzzing again.

Yea I didnt mean to start a big scuffle. Double J take it easy we are each intitled to our own opinion. I would have to agree with kevin. If you dont have the space you shouldnt be breeding.

Heather if you have the space I would deffinalty recommend seperate enclosures better safe then sorry.
Again guys how can you tell the chams apart?
Plus together they would never all eat the same amount so they would all grow at diffrent rates you would think. Then in a month wouldnt you need to seperate them according to size anyways.
I myself am going to hold out on selling them for at least 2.5 months. MOst of the time people have clutches at around the same time. SO there is a bunch of one species on the market, dropping the price of the said species. If you hold out a bit and get your chams good and ready to be shipped there wont be as many on the market and you could prob sell for a bit more rather then less.

If this makes snece to anyone. OF course this only works with seasonal breeders. SOmething like leos wouldnt work because they are always on the market.

Collide · 01-22-05, 02:27 PM

I think the ideal way would be to have seperate cages but this is not very practical in all cases. when u have huge clutches of babies its impossible to seperate them all, I tryed to seperate my babie veilds but it was way to much work, as long as u know what u are doing and what to look out for (ie an aggressive one that needs to be seperated, small ones) u are fine.

galad · 01-22-05, 03:34 PM

very well put collide

Chris_Anderson · 01-22-05, 03:53 PM

There are a number of ways to do it. Here are a few suggestions:

http://www.chameleonnews.com/babyexperience.html
http://www.chameleonnews.com/year200...by_caging.html
http://www.chameleonnews.com/year200...rst_weeks.html
http://www.screameleons.com/portal/a...opDefault.aspx

Chris

Double J · 01-22-05, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by galad

Yea I didnt mean to start a big scuffle. Double J take it easy we are each intitled to our own opinion. I would have to agree with kevin. If you dont have the space you shouldnt be breeding.

I am simply appalled and offended by the last sentence in the above quote. You threw down the gauntlet, and here is my response.

Galad... do YOU have any PERSONAL EXPERIENCE breeding chameleons???? It certainly doesn't sound like it to me. It seems as if you are simply regurgutating what you have read in the article.

This brings me to my second point.... have you actually been reading any of the other posts???? EVERYBODY ELSE keeps multiple individuals per tank in the early stages.

Here is an excerpt from one of Collide's posts:

"when u have huge clutches of babies its impossible to seperate them all, I tryed to seperate my babie veilds but it was way to much work, as long as u know what u are doing and what to look out for"

Then galad, you reply with "very well put collide"

Your replies contradict each other.

And to clarify....... I did not EVER state that I lacked the room to house the babies individually! My point instead, was that housing them individually was neither necessary, nor efficient. Having over 35 individual tanks for 35 individual juveniles with 5.0 UVB bulbs for each container, plus the racking is grossly unnecessary, and incredibly inefficient. I DO have the room to house them individually, but it would be an intense waste of resources, time, space, and money. My frog room is 21 feet by 11 feet, plus I have another room off to the side that is is 8 feet by 6 feet. About half of the space in my two herp rooms is occupied. Do the math. Splitting up 35 babies among 7 ten gallon tanks is hardly poor husbandry, and to insist otherwise is simply ludicrous.

I apologise to the other forum members, but this "armchair expertise" is both ignorant and rude.

I think that if you haven't any personal experience on the subject, you should not be giving advice.

meow_mix450 · 01-22-05, 05:32 PM

Galad you have to read the posts carefully. Every thread that you posted on has created a small argument. Double J didnt do anything but just gave a suggestion, and advice on how he did things. Double J has had experience with rasising baby chameleons and you havnt "yet". So a suggestion is to read the posts over again, and dont take it as such a threat

Meow

HeatherRose · 01-22-05, 05:40 PM

Thanks for the links Chris!

I am still on the fence about housing them seperately or together. I find that with a clutch of even 20+, maintaining that many tanks will be hectic, and some of the chameleons will not get adequate care. It's simply not very feasible. I think I will probably keep them in small groups for a few weeks at least.

meow_mix450 · 01-22-05, 06:27 PM

Ya I think it all depends on how big the tank is, how many did you house in the 10 gallon Double J?

Meow

Double J · 01-22-05, 06:34 PM

I have generally kept five per ten gallon tank. On a few occasions there were six or seven babies in one or two tanks while the rest had five, but this was the exception rather than the rule.
Again, they were only housed in this density for no longer than a month generally.

RDexotics · 01-22-05, 06:35 PM

Well I can't speak for double J but I house usually 5 or 6 to a 10 gallon. I keep an couple extra tanks free incase theres one or two that aren't growing as fast or seem overly aggresive then they get there own tank. I also separate them according to size after 2-3 weeks.