I though my friends Ball python had been bitten

[daver676]

Originally posted by PuNkuPoNAsTAR
if your friend bought it so he could watch it eat live prey, thats lame and he shouldn't have a snake.

Agreed.

[Forever]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tim_Cranwill
[B]Forever, just because you don't LIKE the answer, that doesn't mean it's not the right answer or that people are not being helpful. You won't find a more helpful and friendly group of people than the ones here. You just need to be able to accept the truth.

No, I pointed out very clearly that feeding dead mice was not an option right now. Instead of giving me information in any way he decided to make a smart *** comment that did NOT help me. It would seem that i just need to take such insults or unnesessary comments in return for your "help" As I don't doubt how helpful you are all capable of being.

You may like copping out behind such ideals of how helpful jeff was but it seems that not only are you not accepting the truth you are not even recognizing it. I don't mean to offend you but i do mean to point out what DID happen.

Jeff was helpful at first but once i cleared up the fact that i was aware of such options and that my friend does not want to feed his snake dead mice. He took on a different, more childish attitude. I was and am unappreciative for it. Jeff's second last reply only solidifies my thoughts of jeff.

To watch jake feed is not why he bought him.

Jake is also not ready to eat rats.

Either way I will tell my friend what alomst EVERYONE of you have pointed out in your post. Though I still don't think anyone has told me what to do in the event that he calls me up and tells me that his snake was bitten.

I thank those who helped me, those who honestly tried, aswell as those who realized that I was aware of such warnings and the reasons for such warnings.

[Tim_Cranwill]

I think you are kind of missing OUR point too though. When you see enough people come to these forums with basically the same scenario as you, and 80%+ don't want to hear the truth, it can get frustrating. If you put in the time and effort, MOST snakes will take f/t food.

Maybe you need to give us some more info...

- You say the snake is not ready for rats yet. Why not?

- You say feeding dead mice is not an opion right now. Why not?

- You also say your friend does not want to feed his snake dead mice. What the heck are we supposed to do about that?


In the event that your friend's snake gets bitten, clean the wound, put some polysporin on it, take the snake away from him and give your friend a GOOD HARD smack in the face... or bite him a few times on Jake’s behalf.

But again, just because you and your friend don’t like the truth, that doesn't make it any less true...

[drewlowe]

Why doesn't your friend want to feed frozen or even pre killed. Why does it HAVE to be live.

There are 2 main problems with live
1. Injury to the snake, possible death
2. Parasites


Not to say that frozen can't carry parasites but the risk is lower.

Live is not the way to go if it can be so easily avoided. No matter the response (how it's given, or interpirated) It's all the same, F/t is the way to go (if possible).

Jamie

[HeatherRose]

Either way I will tell my friend what alomst EVERYONE of you have pointed out in your post. Though I still don't think anyone has told me what to do in the event that he calls me up and tells me that his snake was bitten.

If the snake it bitten, all you can do is put some polysporin on it and take it to the vet, which results in costly vet bills and the chance that the vet might not be able to do anything for your snake.

[Forever]

Originally posted by Tim_Cranwill
I think you are kind of missing OUR point too though. When you see enough people come to these forums with basically the same scenario as you, and 80%+ don't want to hear the truth, it can get frustrating. If you put in the time and effort, MOST snakes will take f/t food.

Maybe you need to give us some more info...

- You say the snake is not ready for rats yet. Why not?

- You say feeding dead mice is not an opion right now. Why not?

- You also say your friend does not want to feed his snake dead mice. What the heck are we supposed to do about that?


In the event that your friend's snake gets bitten, clean the wound, put some polysporin on it, take the snake away from him and give your friend a GOOD HARD smack in the face... or bite him a few times on Jake’s behalf.

But again, just because you and your friend don’t like the truth, that doesn't make it any less true...

You're point? You're point is that you get frustrated and as a result freak out when someone asks a simple and very defined question or that not treating me decently is excusable because you get frustrated? Then go on to defend yourselves for it with such conviction. I don't see any valid point to consider here.

Regardless of our frustrations in life we are still expected to handle things as decently as possible and I don't beleive that it was that hard for jeff or yourself to do so.

I know all about your frustration. I am very active and have been for along time on another forum. However, I believe that I have to deal with much younger people. Though you'll find the same frustration in almost every social interaction. I believe that you should act the same on here as you would be expected to in your everyday life.

You keep speaking of this "truth" Yet I believe that I have stated multiple times that i am aware of the truth, that i have never once said that the "truth" is anything but.

One thing I did say was that repeating it is not helpful. I am aware and I wish you would stop being so redundant in your replies. It is unnessesary and in fact counter productive. A large portion of the intent in my last reply was to show how unhelpful jeff was despite popular belief.

I also never said that you were supposed to do anything about my friend not wanting to feed his snake dead mice. I was just pointing out that what you keep repeating is again unessesary. Thats it!

The bit of information you managed to sneak in there IS however helpful. That is all I wanted in the first place.

[Tim_Cranwill]

Man, chill out. I don't know WHAT kind of magical answers you are looking for but I'm pretty sure they don't exist.

Peace out... I don't need any more up-hill battles in my life... though you seem to enjoy them. LOL

Later...

p.s. Thanks for the lesson is social values. I'll be sure to put them to good use.

[djc3674]

Forever...I feed my snakes live prey also. I have a petstore right down the road from my house which is very convenient. I am not keen on keeping dead rodents in my freezer, nor do I have a whole lot of time to wait til they defrost.

Depending on what type of prey I am feeding (mice or rats). I will either let the snake do the deed or wack the prey item so it is stunned. Another way to help ensure that the snake is safe is handfeeding. By this I mean, take the rodent by the tail and lower it closer and closer to the hungry, ready-to-strike snake. I haven't had any problems with this method. I do this when feeding my large BCI jumbo rats. My snakes strike and bite the prey in the face, coil, and it's over pretty quickly. You should also make sure you are feeding appropriate sized prey items. A live rat that is too big for a snake will kill it.

Also, a good practice is to have a stick handy incase the mice/rat's face is free enough to bite. Then I take the stick and keep it's face away from the snake until it is dead. Generally, a nip from a rodent is not going to do much damage to a large boid, especially once it coils and the rodent can't breath or move. However, if feeding live it is imperative that you supervise.

[Forever]

I'm not looking for magical answers. I was and am quite content with what you finally gave me. At the end of my last post i said "that's all i wanted" "WantED" this is to imply that I did want. Perhaps suggesting that I want no longer. However what djc364 posted is exactly what i wanted.

I don't know what was included in my post to make you think that i was still looking for answers. It was nothing more than a debate about something you at one point seemed to believe quite strongly.

People find it hard to seperate the topic at hand and the argument that many people find themselves in whenever they say something without thinking.

Honestly, its sad but I do enjoy debate.
People don't realize it until they're are in too deep.

Also, djc3674's post is an example of the existance of those "magical" answers.

Note: I am not angry or bitter about anything. If I knew where the smiley faces are being hidden I'd use one.

[Forever]

djc3674: Thank you! You have been among, if not the most helpful person so far. I didn't want to double post but I wanted to thank you seperately.

[YummyCdnMale]

I think i know who the "Friend" is lolz .... kinda like when the druggie calls the drug hotline for a "Friend"

[Forever]

I thought someone might think that but no it's my friend jesse. I have no shame when it comes to asking for help. Nor should anyone.

[djc3674]

no problem dude

[Forever]

I was just wondering for those of you who suggested "stunning" the mouse, how exactly do you go about that?

[Vengeance]

Whack it, but don't whack it hard enough to kill it, only stun it.