New Mouse Variety?!

[reptilesalonica]

tai_pan1 and Linds, you think you see that, because they lack of fur in the body, so the body looks smaller than head
~Greg~

[CHRISANDBOIDS14]

Sorry, i meant mothers and sons not mothers and daughters and yes it does happen sometimes when you inbreed. I've done it myself and so does another larger breeder i know. LOL My bad(with the mothers and daughters thing).

[reptilesalonica]

LOL!!!YES!!!....i wish i was there to see how they could...*do the wild thing*...
~Greg~

[marisa]

"yes it does happen sometimes when you inbreed"

Where is proof that this happens? Frankly I am more inclined to believe what you were breeding was mice with the hairless strain in their background, or hair loss from a health ailment. Could you point some articles out that mention hairless mice being caused by inbreeding?

Marisa

[Linds]

Originally posted by reptilesalonica
tai_pan1 and Linds, you think you see that, because they lack of fur in the body, so the body looks smaller than head
~Greg~

No, I don't mean the bodies are disproportionate, I meant they looked underdeveloped. There is no definition and you can clearly see all the organs, which you shouldn't be able to after around 6 days - hair or no hair. The bodies have all the characteristics of a pinky, not an older, more developed mouse.

[rattekonigin]

You can only get hairless mice as a result of inbreeding if at least one of the original parent mice carried a gene for hairlessness...you may not see any hairless mice for many generations, which might make it seem like they were "created" by inbreeding, but (barring a novel mutation in the line, which is a possibility, but quite unlikely) the hairless gene was there all along, it just wasn't being expressed.

Because inbreeding results in an increase in homozygosity, the more you inbreed, the more likely you are to have recessive traits being expressed phenotypically. That's why inbreeding is generally considered a bad thing, because down the line you're more likely to start having deleterious genetic diseases cropping up.

[reptilesalonica]

Well...I don't know Linds...I never saw a hopper without fur before, to tell how it looks like.
~Greg~

[Linds]

I've seen hairless rodents before, from the time they were born to the time they were breeding themselves, and they were all fully formed underneath their coat, and no organs were visible through the skin... seems kinda weird to me...

[reptilesalonica]

If you did saw those hairless mice as hoppers and the organs were not visible, then i cannot disagree since i never saw how a hopper hairless mouse before.
~Greg~

[Leona]

For all you nonbelievers, I've been breeding mice for sometime now. I've had a few litters born that look exactly like these, even some that have hair on their bodies and bald heads. If you read and can understand Rattekonigin's post he explains quite well how it can happen. Myself I think they look unhealthy and feed them out as hoppers. If I had only known there was a demand for "lion mice", I could have been rich by now. lol

[RaVeNo888o]

i think they should be poodle mice..since they have the furry feet and tails like the balls of fur people groom on their prize poodles

[reptilesalonica]

Yeah, i thought of that too, but now it's pointless, they both died
~Greg~

[jadegrasse]

I breed mice that are completely bald as well as mice that only ever develop fuzz. I also breed mice that have curly hair. sorta like an afro.
Yours look cool. I wonder what we would get if we crossed a 'lion' with a baldie?

[Gregg M]

Those mice have the same genetic defect that hairless guinea pigs have and a breed of dog called the Chinese crested........ It is a recessive gene and has been produced before......... They are not worth a whole lot.......... That gene works just like leopard gecko morphs........ You are not really sitting on a gold mine.......LOL....... But there may be a small market for them....... Being that they are so easy to produce because mice are so prolific, they will loose value pretty fast........ But hey, have fun with it and if you can make some cash on them, great...........

[Aug]

Those looks awsome!!! You should try and find out what exactly is going on. I don't have the time to search, but there is a "gene knockout bank" for mice that may prove helpful. i often use it for school/reseach work. I not sure if it is one gene. Probably more complex seeing that hair is produced on their heads. Anyways, mice have some really neat mutations... check out the site.

http://www.bioscience.org/knockout/knochome.htm

or for just info use

http://tbase.jax.org/

Btw, the bioscience website sells these mutations. They are not cheap. So, if ever you have surviving mutations, try your luck and see what happends.


Aug