blood squirting lizards! - Page 2

brandi · 02-03-04, 07:34 PM

i don't know about horned devils, but here is a pic of a regal horned lizard (Phrynosoma solare) we found out in the Superstitions (in Arizona).

brandi · 02-03-04, 07:39 PM

eeerm.... doesn't seem to be workin... here's the link to the photo in my galery. http://ssnakess.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=16798

Bartman · 02-03-04, 07:41 PM

thanks
anyone know what kinda grass this is and if i can use it in a uro tank? And see this guy keeps thorny devils in captivity..i wonder what hes doing

Bartman · 02-03-04, 07:43 PM

Wuntu Menny · 02-04-04, 11:38 PM

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everyone told me that you cant keep them because they eat special ants..the ones you guys have are diff?

Sorry, horned lizards are specialized ant feeders too. For this reason they don't do well in captivity. Aside from a VERY few exceptional keepers, most horned lizards don't survive longer than a few months in captivity.

Having first hand experience keeping Phrynosoma, I won't recommend them to anyone I don't feel has "expert" qualifications. I'm of the opinion that it takes more than mere advanced abilities to have these animals thrive outside their natural range.

As I'm no expert, my attempts to keep them ended in failure. The record longevity in my care was three years for a WC juvenile, but this specimen never even reached subadult size in that time even though it ate an incredible number of ants and crix daily. In retrospect, I probably should have read more accounts of their dismal record and left them alone. I'd rather see pix of a live one where it belongs than have it slowly withering in a cage due to my own ignorance.

WM

marisa · 02-05-04, 12:05 AM

I wonder what mine was then. I can't see it living a few years on nothing but mealworms if it was the ant eating horned lizard.

Damn now I am going to be up searching all night LOL

Marisa

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 02-05-04, 02:44 AM

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So wait people own thorny devils..can someone post a pic of there horned lizard?

People obtaining certain permits can own mollochs in Oz..
I tried finding pics of my Horneds, however I seemed to have lost all of them besides a horrible pic of a baby I once had.. (Gave him away as I did the others and my breeders.)

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I made a post a while back about spiny devils or something to that, they come from australia and everyone told me that you cant keep them because they eat special ants..the ones you guys have are diff?

The species of Iridomyrmex mostly found eaten by mollochs are Iridomyrmex flavipes. They eat these guys like ours eat harvesters.. Iri's are only found in Australia and being how Native species can not be exported on normal circumstances and not very many people work with ants, much less Iri's.. Good luck on finding a supply. That's one reason noone here or there keep Mollochs.

As being a horned keeper/breeder as well, I honestly dont see any reason for someone who is honestly dedicated and legal not to keep them. Simply being if you can provide proper care and feeding. Also, call Antsalive.com and they will send you a queen if you provide proper paperwork from your state department but they only do this every so often. Or go out in April/may and collect several dozen winged harvesters and set them up in the proper enclosures and hope...
And yes, ours are different.
I, too, do not recommend anyone caring for these guys..
However, Ive found it rather easy to not only care for horneds but to breed them. Just gotta' pull down the basics on them as with any other animal..

By the way Brandi, awesome animal. One Ive always wanted to work with.. Thats also one of the lightest Ive seen. Are they normally like that in your area?
Xain

reptiguy123 · 02-05-04, 07:40 PM

Where did you get that avatar?

Bartman · 02-05-04, 10:09 PM

LOLOL

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 02-05-04, 11:39 PM

That's my girlfriend. Im a jealous man. Stop looking. Stop I say..

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 02-07-04, 03:01 AM

Ok I found a pic of my Male Texas Horned Lizard off an old wep page of mine..

Bartman · 02-07-04, 01:19 PM

what do they eat?

JeffT · 02-07-04, 01:38 PM

Take a look at WM's post, it should clear things up.

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 02-07-04, 07:40 PM

Harvester ants should be a main diet for these guys. About
70-80 % of the overall diet. They also eat crickets and other species of ants, not sure of the name, but Ive fed other red ants and small black ants. Also, noted that I have observed sevreral animals feeding off of small black ants of some sort. Dust the crickets with a vitamin mixture. They are to be fed every day until they show that they are no longer interested in feeding. Possibly try two feeding sessions. I can't emphasize enough, feed often and feed ants. You may try adding a few insects into the diet of these guys but be sure that Harvester ants are mainly fed.