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11-08-03, 08:02 PM
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oh wow shes awesome !!!
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11-08-03, 08:29 PM
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Location: Victoria BC, Canada
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hey jeff did you already breed her? you better save me one of her babies
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11-08-03, 08:36 PM
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awesome
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11-08-03, 11:26 PM
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That's funny, this year we are doing the exact opposite thing you are.
We usually like to grow our snakes up much slower than most people, and we tend to wait until the female is really big before attempting breeding. We feel this will lead to a longer life for the pair - and that is more our goals.
But this year, we got a salmon boa male from Simon. It was already really large for it's age - so we've kept throwing large amounts of food at it - and it accepts it all of the time.
Am I doing this because I am greedy. Absolutely!
I think a cool experiment would be to only breed your big female every 2nd year, and see what snakes produce more babies over an entire lifetime. I know people that have snakes that are 20 years old (not colubrids) and still breeding like clockwork.
Cool snake, I'd love to see a really big brazillian.
Ryan
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11-08-03, 11:41 PM
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Location: abbotsford
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note to self steal jeffs brb's lol just kiddin looks great i wouldnt getting myself one of those
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11-09-03, 01:05 AM
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Location: U.S.A
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She looks incredible and is a monster. I hope my female grows to be half as nice. Congrats and great pic.
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11-09-03, 01:47 AM
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Location: Ontario
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Awesome looking BRB.
-Steve-
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11-09-03, 01:50 AM
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Location: Southern Ontario
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STUNNING!!!!!
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11-09-03, 02:02 AM
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Location: Toronto, Ontario
Age: 37
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a BIGGY..and the red on that blinds me!! Good good good luck on your breeding project, i wanna see the babies that come out of her 
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11-09-03, 02:09 AM
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Location: Manitoba
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Wicked boa! It's nice to see some experimentation going on...
Good luck Favelle... oh, wait... You ALREADY have good luck, you punk! 
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11-09-03, 02:25 AM
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Join Date: Sep-2003
Location: Arizona, USA
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Good luck, man that "little" girl shoud produce some KILLER babies! Hold a couple for me, will ya?
She is one AWESOME looker!
-Jennifer
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11-09-03, 04:10 AM
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Location: BC
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...
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That's funny, this year we are doing the exact opposite thing you are.
We usually like to grow our snakes up much slower than most people, and we tend to wait until the female is really big before attempting breeding. We feel this will lead to a longer life for the pair - and that is more our goals.
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LOL, how can that be the exact opposite of what I've done if that was precisely what my post said I was doing??? LOL!! 
But I don't think its correct to think that way. Hence the reason I'm trying it. To disprove it. Reptiles, as ectothermic animals, were designed to eat and grow and reproduce. Caloric intake = breeding success. I don't think it bears any weight (pun intended) on long-term health. I live for the here and now, not for the future. What if you try to grow an animal to breed in its 5th year and it dies for some reason at age 4?? How many babies will you get then? Exactly zero! But if I bred it at age 1.5 then I would get 3 litters of 20, so that's 60 babies. In terms of my operation, and in terms of evolution/the snake's natural history, that's more of a success than not breeding at all.
I don't rely on what could happen, I rely on what is happening and what I can facilitate to happen.
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11-09-03, 04:11 AM
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Good luck Favelle... oh, wait... You ALREADY have good luck, you punk!
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If you are referring to my Roughriders Tim, that is not luck. It is Destiny.
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11-09-03, 04:15 AM
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I think a cool experiment would be to only breed your big female every 2nd year, and see what snakes produce more babies over an entire lifetime. I know people that have snakes that are 20 years old (not colubrids) and still breeding like clockwork.
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Funny you should say that, I have a female that's over 15 years old and last year was her 3rd clutch in a row @ 20+ babies every year, with this year being the biggest at 26 babies!
And I also have a male over 20 years old. And he was the father to a litter this year, and 2 litters last year! Feeding snakes does not shorten their lifespans, LOL! Not feeding them does!
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11-09-03, 01:40 PM
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Re: ...
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Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
[B]LOL, how can that be the exact opposite of what I've done if that was precisely what my post said I was doing??? LOL!!
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Keep reading my post Jeff and you will see that I said that is what we normally do (grow a snake up slower than most people, and breed when the snake is large), but this year we decided to grow a snake up really quickly and breed at a young age.
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[i]gun her to breeding size in 18 months (like I have done with ALL my Rainbows). Instead, I fed her slowly and I never cycled her...
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I think that is opposite. LOL
Now, for the other things you brought up.
You see, I am still of the belief that a snake that is "gunned" to breeding age at 18 months, and the cycled and bred each year, will not live really long. I may or may not be correct in my belief, but I don't know of any old snakes that bred from a very young age, and then did so each year. You might, and if you do, I'd be interested in hearing about them.
I've always thought that overfeeding a snake was detrimental to long term health. But, like you said, so is underfeeding. However, we aim for a balance somewhere inbetween the 2 extremes.
But our goal (usually) isn't to grow the snake really quickly, to get as many babies as we can as quickly as possible. Many of our snakes mean a lot to us in a "pet" sense - and we want to keep them around as long as possible, regardless of how many babies we get, or how quickly we can have babies.
I think in the wild, as snakes evolved, snakes eat as much as they can and grow as quickly as they can - to reproduce as much as they can, to make more babies, which is the long term goal in the wild. Having said that, I don't think any ball pythons find enough food to breed at 18 months in the wild, but I have not studied that, hence the "I don't think".
I've got a paper somewhere, which I will look for, with necropsy reports of captive snakes in a breeding program, of snakes dieing at a young age because of fatty organ troubles. They attributed this to feeding too often, an not letting the gut empty completely for a few days which they said was needed for certain organs
I'm just answering the points you brought up, don't think I'm trying to debate the issue - just tossing a few ideas around.
If we don't ask we don't learn!
Ryan
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