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Old 10-31-03, 01:40 PM   #16
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Old 10-31-03, 04:50 PM   #17
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Thanks Edwin for the pdf file. Now I can get a better idea of what the nutritional components are. I need to give it a good going over and digest the info (pun intended)
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Old 11-01-03, 03:27 AM   #18
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Curious but how can you tell if BP is getting obese??? (i know its kinda dumb but not asking is dumber)
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Old 11-01-03, 12:04 PM   #19
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Generally speaking, a snake would be considered obese if the snake is unable to coil properly (without a prey item inside it, of course), or if there is exposed skin between scales.

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Old 11-01-03, 12:38 PM   #20
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okay thanx just worried about over feeding her because she'll get day in and day out and then some :-)
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Old 11-05-03, 02:21 AM   #21
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http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/Who...nal02May29.pdf

This is an interesting study. From what I've read, and speaking very generally, I've gathered several contributing factors to whether rats or mice are better.
1) The food that the rat or mouse was raised on will contribute to its overall nourishment for the snake.
2) The age of the rat or mouse at the time of consumption. As the rat or mouse ages from one stage to another there are greater or lesser degrees of certain nutrients.
3) Rats and mice metabolize some nutrients differently-Regarding vitamin E, "Clear species differences in vitamin E metabolism/utilization have been shown between laboratory mice and rats raised on the same diets,7,15 suggesting that species that have not been studied may have different requirements."

The tables provided at the end of the study at times indicates wide variation and at other times very small differences in nutrition, again depending on the age of the rat or mouse. It would seem to me that from this limited study, it would be hard to support the argument, across the board, that rats are nutritionally better than mice. Having said that though when it comes to convenience, cost, and keeping the python feed, it only makes sense to feed larger items, i.e., rats if possible. In My Opinion, they both probably offer equal nutrition. We as purchasers of live or frozen rats or mice usually have no idea what food they were raised on, how they were euthanized, etc., and therefore have no idea what's under that fur coat. I think you have to look at what your buying and judge as best you can on appearance and behavior of the rat or mouse. (In the case of frozen, behavior is usually consistent, LOL). Initially, I don't think it matters which you serve up. When the snake gets larger, I would go for rats for the reasons mentioned above.
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LOL! Yeh, frozen rats and mice usually behave quite well! Never had any problems out of one myself.
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