geting a cp this sat

[MudBoy]

Zoe I just told you an hour ago that we call coastals common.

Emily - yes, but Royal Python is also recognized here. When's the last time you heard a coastal being referred to as a common?

I hear that every day Zoe, at home, in the pet shops, in the papers under sales, everyware.
Common coastal carpet snakes are just that, common as dirt!!
They live on the coastal strip and they are common, what more can I say! I can show you one from Cape tribulation and one from Byrion Bay 3000 miles away and you will not know the difference, they are ALL the same. They only change when you talk about different species like bredli's, diamonds, jungles blah blah!
Pick any web page you like about Australian carpets and you should see the term "common coastal" used.

I would not presume to tell a person from a place like Canada about bears or wolves or elk or moose, and yet people from another country tell me what I should call my own native reptiles.
I got my first common coastal over 20 years ago,I now have over 40 carpet snakes, of witch at least 30+ would be common and I love them all. It is not a derogatory term, it is not said with any bias, they are common.

Cheers

Rick.

[snake_goth]

thx, i just have Q how active are coastals ive heard there kind of active allso wen there adult do there bites hurt bad i know thay have needle sharp teeth but dus it hurt to get bit??

[Zoe]

MudBoy - but we're not in australia! You can call them whatever you want (as is you're calling them common coastals, not just plain commons). Coastals arent common as dirt here. And really, don't take it so personally! I wouldn't mind too much if you started calling black bears, common bears.

Oh, I did a search for "common carpet python" (because for all I know coastals are easily recognized as commons even though i've never heard it before) and came up with one reference to jungles and two to coastals, one to Variegata, and about 5 refering to carpet python in general.
Not the clearest of results.

[alex_33]

Yes Zoe, but snakegoth is in England, which means they could call coastal carpets different names over there, like they do in Australia, so I don't think it's right to tell some one to ditch a breeder because they use a different name for some snakes than you do, especially since that breeder is in England. Also How do you know that coastal carpets aren't extremely popular in England, I'm not saying they are, but they could be, hence the name "Common Carpet Python".

[Zoe]

Okay I also did a search in uk.yahoo.com, and came up these results:
One referance to Variegata, one for carpets in general.

I got a truck load of Coastal Carpet Python results, though.

Had these searches yielded different results, I'd gladly have accepted being eroneous. But I daresay they go to show that coastals aren't really known as commons, at least not in the UK. and Canada. I have yet to research an aussie search engine though :P

[gonesnakee]

Holy Cow did the pot get stirred up here, heh heh. Glad to hear that you weren't offended Zoe (sounds like others were, oh well!). Oh & sorry I took offence from the breeder point of view. I totally agree with you that some people here are too sensitive & take things too personally. Also I agree that my Corn snake morph thing wasn't a very good example. I do agree though that if I was to call a carpet "common" I would refer to a coastal or maybe a jungle, because they are the most common ones to me. Whereas the fancies would be the IJs, Centrailians, Diamonds etc. Something that should be pointed out is though is that sometimes the "dealers" don't have the best info & in the case of certain specimens Jungles & Coastals are confused with one another or have been crossbred together (such as my big girl or Mary V's boy). These animals are often misrepresented as one or the other. My girl could pass for a "dirty" jungle. Not that big of a deal for just a pet, but a big deal if you want pure blood for breeding purposes. I have seen posts here on ssnakess before asking if people thought the snake they pictured was Jungle or Coastal. A reputable breeder is always recomended for reasons such as this. Oh & just so everyone knows "We do not argue, We debate!" & its good to see some different perspectives other than our own. OK now I'm done (for now, lol) Mark I. >(
P.S. Remember people sometimes we have to "Agree to disagree". lol M.I.

[JIMI]

I've heard alot of people calling coastals just simply "carpet python"... as in a common carpet python. most of the time i've seen this is from aussies.

[snake_goth]

well in one of my bookes it has "carpet python" with a pic of a jungle (pritty nice 1) i will try to get a pic of him as soon as poss
ps. ive decided to get a boy due to males usually growing smaller than females.

[Zoe]

Mark - yeah for sure. I hate seeing debates escalate into fights just because things are taken the wrong way. I love to debate, so I've learned not to get offended by other people's opinion - it's a lot more enjoyable that way! (For both parties :P)

And I'm glad you are no longer taking offense to that breeder thing... of course I meant no offence to anyone on this site, I was (at the time) considering this guy to me a dealer of snakes, as opposed to a breeder.

[gonesnakee]

No worries Zoe. I'm bad anyways. Sometimes I post opinions that I may or may not even nessicarily support just to see how people react. I like to stir the pot & see how the stew turns out. You know see where peoples heads are at & which ones can take it & dish it out. Devils advocate can be very entertaining & informative. Peace Mark I.

[MudBoy]

Hi Mark and Zoe.
No fight from here, like you I was just making a point.
As far as I am concerned you both had good points and good advice for snake_goth.
As for the term "common" you wont get a lot of feed back from aussies about it because most dont care or wouldnt know how to respond.
Im in 4 different herp clubs and know hundreds of collectors and out of all of them I would say only 5 or 8 of them are on line and most of those are dialup for email only.
You guys have no idea what its like here,most people in Australia shoot or stomp on snakes and if you tell someone you keep them they laugh at you.
Lets face it the best book ever done on Australian snakes was done buy an American "Pythons of the world,volume1, Australia".
By the way are there any other Aussies in this forum ?
I would love to talk to them if there is.
Dont think I was arguing with you I was just making a point, and Mark, stiring the pot and then retracting the statement is just that "stiring the pot".
We have a saying down here "If ya gunna piss in the pool then dont be afraid to swim in it"!!!

Cheers

Rick.

[gonesnakee]

I'm swimming in it here Rick LOL everything I put here I agree with & yes I am sometimes a hypocrit. I was more getting at that sometimes people here only seem to see things from their point of view. I like to get people thinking about all those other things like morality issues etc. Ones where there is no right or wrong, but alot of grey area. We all need to be more empathetic sometimes & try to see things from all angles even though we don't always enjoy the view, heh heh. I myself enjoy that "down under angle" you present & you bring up lots of good tidbits to think about. I worked in Africa way back in '88 & can totally relate to your plight with the locals & you keeping snakes. Every single one that was spotted in the Kalahari while I was there brought the "Kill it, kill it!" chant from the locals. Keep "stirring it up" Bro. It gives us all a chance to see what may float to the top. Cheers mate, Mark
P.S. Whats the difference between a "French kiss" & an Austrailian one? No difference, one's just "Down Under" thats all!

[snake_goth]

hay lisen to me the shop isnt a breeder thay get them frm a realy realy good breeder i just found out but ime still geting him (the breeder who suplys them lives to far away frm me)

[MudBoy]

Well get some info on the breeder and post it here for Zoe and gonesnakee and I to pick on him for a while then you go and buy it and love like we all love ours. lol
Good luck with your new buddy goth, I hope all goes well mate!

Cheers

Rick.