Dangerous Snakes

[jay's reptiles]

Poisonous” describes a plant, animal, or anything else that is toxic or harmful if you eat it or touch it. “Venomous,” on the other hand, refers to animals that inject a toxin directly into their prey to subdue them, or in self-defense against a predator.

[Andy_G]

Originally Posted by jay's reptiles

Poisonous” describes a plant, animal, or anything else that is toxic or harmful if you eat it or touch it. “Venomous,” on the other hand, refers to animals that inject a toxin directly into their prey to subdue them, or in self-defense against a predator.

That's right. Friendly suggestion...maybe you should look into what I posted before dismissing it and trying to educate me on something I already know?


"A new study shows that the Asian snake Rhabdophis tigrinus becomes poisonous by sequestering toxins from its prey which consists of venomous toads. "

[jay's reptiles]

The Rhabdophis tigrinus is not only poisonous its venomous as well. So basically it has both features.

[Andy_G]

Originally Posted by jay's reptiles

The Rhabdophis tigrinus is not only poisonous its venomous as well. So basically it has both features.

You got it!

I vaguely remember reading something about the common garter snake being poisonous as well through the same method...storing poison from certain prey items...but it's been a while so maybe someone slightly less lazy/busy than myself can confirm for fun?

[jay's reptiles]

Originally Posted by Andy_G

You got it!

I vaguely remember reading something about the common garter snake being poisonous as well through the same method...storing poison from certain prey items...but it's been a while so maybe someone slightly less lazy/busy than myself can confirm for fun?

Actually no, I have many common garter snake around my farm. Yes they are venomous but not poisonous.

Common garter snakes cannot kill humans with the small amounts of comparatively mild venom they produce, and they also lack an effective means of delivering it. They do have enlarged teeth in the back of their mouths

[jay's reptiles]

when i mean there is no such thing as a poisonous snake. I mean that there is snakes with venom and poison. But there is no such thing as a snake with only poison.

[Andy_G]

Your previous post stimulated me to make the small effort and I found out that I too can cut and paste from wikipedia.

"There are, however, two exceptions: Rhabdophis sequesters toxins from the toads it eats, then secretes them from nuchal glands to ward off predators, and a small unusual population of garter snakes in the U.S. state of Oregon retains enough toxins in their livers from the newts they eat to be effectively poisonous to small local predators (such as crows and foxes)."

Neat stuff. I wasn't TOTALLY wrong.

[Magdalen]

Originally Posted by Captain837

I will admit not many people die from venomous snake bites in the US however the stats are not really all that accurate. At least locally the most common bites I have seen were from Western diamondbacks. I have seen case studies of a few fatalities but the occurred due to complications following the bite. Most often clots thrown causing stroke. The death may be getting liked to stroke rather than snake bite.

I do agree with the idea than no animal is dangerous if treated properly. But you have to admit, some are definitely less forgiving that others when mistakes occur.

Yeah I didn't get around to double checking those stats, but like pet snake mentioned "Humans have a tendency to fear sensational causes of death" I wanted to point out that there are easier ways to die. Car accidents, cancer, I could go on. Fearing a small chance to die by way of snake, or shark is another example, does more harm to the animal than the person. Then people go oh no this snake is going to kill me so I should kill it, without stopping to see if it is a "dangerous" snake or harmless one or doing any sort of research on it. And yes some times that fear is a good thing in the right hands, because they will treat that animal with respect and leave it alone.

[SnakeyJay]

Originally Posted by jay's reptiles

when i mean there is no such thing as a poisonous snake. I mean that there is snakes with venom and poison. But there is no such thing as a snake with only poison.

Look up the "Checkered keelback snake"...... Then rethink your answer

[jay's reptiles]

Originally Posted by SnakeyJay

Look up the "Checkered keelback snake"...... Then rethink your answer

i looked it up. All i found was "Nonvenomous and inoffensive"

[SnakeyJay]

Originally Posted by jay's reptiles

i looked it up. All i found was "Nonvenomous and inoffensive"

Non venomous and secrete a poison at the rear of the neck from 2 glands when threatened... Same as all keelback's I believe...

[LouB747]

Here's a video of a Tiger Keelback I found in Tokyo, Japan. I see them pretty often. Yes, they are both venomous and poisonous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy8H5cZR0Kg

[LouB747]

And these Red Necked Keelbacks are also both venomous and poisonous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdsjCVqE-DA