Morph/species related illness?

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by DDW

Wow... Very sad, seems like the more recessive genes are brought out to get "cool" looking animals, the bad stuff is enhanced, very similar to the effects of inbreeding in other animals it seems. Makes the gene pool so shallow :/ There is a reason some traits are recessive. (Btw, what is duckbilling?)

It's a mouth deformity

[DDW]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

It's a mouth deformity

Oh, okay thx

[yeloowtang]

here's a list hard to find of known issues..

Spider Wobble
Woma Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma Wobble
Champagne Wobble
Super Sable Wobble
Powerball Wobble
Sable x Spider Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider Lethal
Pearl Normally Lethal
Super Champagne Lethal
Desert Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow Males produce weird sex ratios
Homozygous Spider Mysteriously non-existent

[DDW]

Originally Posted by yeloowtang

here's a list hard to find of known issues..

Spider Wobble
Woma Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma Wobble
Champagne Wobble
Super Sable Wobble
Powerball Wobble
Sable x Spider Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider Lethal
Pearl Normally Lethal
Super Champagne Lethal
Desert Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow Males produce weird sex ratios
Homozygous Spider Mysteriously non-existent

Wow that's a lot! Thanks for the list.

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by yeloowtang

here's a list hard to find of known issues..

Spider Wobble
Woma Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma Wobble
Champagne Wobble
Super Sable Wobble
Powerball Wobble
Sable x Spider Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider Lethal
Pearl Normally Lethal
Super Champagne Lethal
Desert Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow Males produce weird sex ratios
Homozygous Spider Mysteriously non-existent

Super spider is lethal I believe.
Some pieds have egg quality issues. Especially if they're not cross bred

[DDW]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Super spider is lethal I believe.
Some pieds have egg quality issues. Especially if they're not cross bred

Hmm, interesting
makes me glad I don't plan to breed anything :/

[DDW]

@lady_bug87 btw, I love your profile pic lol

[yeloowtang]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Super spider is lethal I believe.
Some pieds have egg quality issues. Especially if they're not cross bred

I believe you are corect..

I've only read of one possible case about a super spider, was a completly white snake that didn't survive long.. it's believed to a fluke of luck that one made it out of the egg..only one ever know to exist.
some say that the bad eggs are a result of the super spiders not making it in egg development... but that was something i read a while ago.. maybe more info is out there by now..

same with the desert gene, females are all infertile or they get egg bound and/or die laying slugs.. one person said he had succeded in breeding a female but never came forth with any proof about it..
other believe that because the male can breed it's ok to do so !!!! problem here is that all the babies that result from that breeding, the females are all in the same boat.. they can all die if the unknowing buyer breeds her.. no matter if it's a pastel desert, mojave desert, pied desert etc etc ,, if it has the desert gene the snake is at risk.. it's a fatal gene..

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

It depends on how severe it is. It can cause the snake to not be able to eat on it's own.

Never have I seen this. Do you have a source for this? I currently own the spider morph and have produced them. I have never seen the wobble negatively effect the quality of life of a ball python.

Originally Posted by yeloowtang

here's a list hard to find of known issues..

Spider Wobble
Woma Wobble
Hidden Gene Woma Wobble
Champagne Wobble
Super Sable Wobble
Powerball Wobble
Sable x Spider Difficult to hatch, severe wobble
Champagne x Hidden Gene Woma Severe wobble
Champagne x Spider Lethal
Pearl Normally Lethal
Super Champagne Lethal
Desert Female fertility issues
Caramel Albino Kinking and female sub-fertility
Super Cinnamon/Super Black Pastel Duckbill & rare kinking
Super Lesser Platinum/Super Butter Bug eyes
Lesser Platinum x Piedbald Small Eyes
Banana/Coral Glow Males produce weird sex ratios
Homozygous Spider Mysteriously non-existent

I bolded the ones I want to point out for sure.

1. I have seen many champ and champ crosses. Never seen one wobble as of yet. Where did you hear of this?

2. Super champ has been proven three times. I know of at least one that's thriving.

3. Lots of people have caramels producing. I wouldn't say it's "sub fertility".

4. The pinstripe also doesn't have a homozygous form that we know of. We do know the spider has a "lethal" one.

I would point that for those reading that these are the known issues associated with the morphs. They come part and parcel with the morph and doesn't mean everyone comes out like this. I know Yellowtang that you didn't mean that they do as you comprised just a list of known issues. It's pretty detailed so thanks.

[yeloowtang]

exactly Aareon and thanks for pointing that out. doesn't mean that they will all or at all show these traits..

spider is a good one to explain this..

you can have a spider with no wobble at all, and others with severe wobbles.. one can have none and get it as they get older.. in the absolute worst case scenario.. one would have to position the meal close in front of the snake..
it's not that they don't detect the heat source, they can't seem to aim at it..and strike all over the place going nuts trying to find the rat.. my calibee is like that, more so when a baby and much better now.

a spider with no wobble can put out babies with severe, and one with severe can give babies without... it's a hit and miss.

in all cases, the snakes can live a full life, they just act funny..

as for the ones you pointed out or the whole list for that matter... it's a list that i came accross from an accumilitive know issues with certain genes..
as you said, doesn't mean they will all have it, but known issues that were produced more than once is the reason they are mentionned..

i'm sure there are more to add to the list and will be revealed in the future after $$$ has been made off these snakes..

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by yeloowtang

.... but known issues that were produced more than once is the reason they are mentionned....

This isn't entirely true. Super champ was done once and the animal died shortly leaving the egg in 2013. Everyone then wrote it off as "lethal".

Unfortunately, people are quick to make judgements on a single case instead of waiting it out.

[DDW]

Thank you for all this information y'all have given and gone out of your way to give me this info. I find this very interesting and helpful in knowing what I could get into by buying certain snakes (or any reptiles) in the future.

[Moreau]

Also neurological issues in Jaguar carpet pythons, similar to spider balls.
Super Jaguars (jag to jag) is also a lethal combo, producing Leucistic carpets that don't live.

Super form of motley in Columbian boas is lethal as well. Produces a black snake that does not survive. Central American super motleys however seem to be ok.

[SSSSnakes]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;964669]Never have I seen this. Do you have a source for this? I currently own the spider morph and have produced them. I have never seen the wobble negatively effect the quality of life of a ball python.

My source is me. Where I work I have had to assisted feed some spiders that had sever head wobble, to the point that they could not control the head and neck to eat. It has happened many times.

[PsychoSnake]

Limburg albino rosy boas are prone to tail kinks.