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Marshallarts · 01-09-15, 10:45 PM

Well good news, the spots are leaving WITHOUT treatment. Just gotta let nature take its course, especially with amphibians because they are such complex beings.

Zoo Nanny · 01-10-15, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Marshallarts

Well good news, the spots are leaving WITHOUT treatment. Just gotta let nature take its course, especially with amphibians because they are such complex beings.

According to your original post this is not new.
"Well recently Bubba has developed some bright green/yellow spots and blotches on his back, and they disappear and reappear quite frequently."
I hope for Bubba's sake that this is nothing.

Sublimeballs · 01-10-15, 11:32 AM

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Well good news, the spots are leaving WITHOUT treatment. Just gotta let nature take its course, especially with amphibians because they are such complex beings.

This is based on what?

You've been given the best advice you can get... Go to the vet! If you're not going to listen to good advice, don't ask for it. This is a very quick way to end up on everyone bad list on this forum; I've seen it play out many times.

marvelfreak · 01-10-15, 11:38 AM

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Well good news, the spots are leaving WITHOUT treatment. Just gotta let nature take its course, especially with amphibians because they are such complex beings.

What no picture show how handsome he looks now that they're gone?

Primal Rage · 01-10-15, 04:38 PM

Lol, those yellow spots are normal on Whites Tree frogs. You are fine dude. Not fungus, not bacteria, not a parasite. If anything it is a hormonal reaction...

Marshallarts · 01-10-15, 05:08 PM

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Lol, those yellow spots are normal on Whites Tree frogs. You are fine dude. Not fungus, not bacteria, not a parasite. If anything it is a hormonal reaction...

Another person told me this as well. He is a developing male, so it would make sense. I honestly don't think its possible to be a fungus, I'm a bit of a clean freak when it comes to my pets.

I will get a picture of him soon

And what I meant by disappearing and reappearing frequently is that they do that throughout the day, so yes it is fairly new.

Not trying to be stubborn, but in reality a vet can't help me if he were to have some sort of disease. They can give him meds but this rarely works. The important thing is that he's eating, pooping, jumping, croaking and the spots are leaving.

Zoo Nanny · 01-10-15, 06:00 PM

Being a clean freak doesn't stop fungus/fungal infections. I'm really happy that Primal Rage knows what's going on and it's not sick. You on the other hand need to do some research on veterinary care available in your area. Also do some reading on the care being given to frogs and other amphibians around the world by veterinarians trying to save the species. In reality it is you who has the problem, convince yourself the vet can't help then you don't need to spend $$ on your animals and won't feel quilty if it dies. Sorry but anyone who feels that they don't need to bring their animals to the vet doesn't deserve the animal.

Marshallarts · 01-10-15, 10:57 PM

I know being clean doesn't stop fungal infections but it certainly minimizes the chance. I have done plenty of research on vets in my area and around the world who treat frogs, but I've heard too many stories about the frog either dying or just not being happy. If I thougt it would be beneficial I would happily spend the 300$ for Bubba.

Sublimeballs · 01-10-15, 11:20 PM

That's the problem, you've convinced yourself that a vet can't help with anything anyway so you'll not go to the vet... You're not qualified to make that assessment. You've made every argument you can to convince us that the vet is just a waste of time when it's just that you dont want to pay for it. You even said that the frog would probably rather die a slow death then go to the vet. This was nothing but what if you run into a real problem?

Kuamata · 01-10-15, 11:29 PM

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That's the problem, you've convinced yourself that a vet can't help with anything anyway so you'll not go to the vet... You're not qualified to make that assessment. You've made every argument you can to convince us that the vet is just a waste of time when it's just that you dont want to pay for it. You even said that the frog would probably rather die a slow death then go to the vet. This was nothing but what if you run into a real problem?

Probably say the same thing, the whole too bad, so sad, you're better off dying in agony with me than risking a trip to the vet that may save you or relieve your suffering, at least. :/ Very irresponsible mindset, imho.

Marshallarts · 01-10-15, 11:41 PM

If I come across a treatable problem, I would get the treatment from a vet. While bacterial infections sometimes can be cured, it is very rare. Same with red leg, there's really nothing you can do about it and you would be better off putting the frog down. And as I have said, it's not that I don't want to pay for it, but I reallywould prefer not to stress him out that much, and from my research I don't believe vets can provide me with anything helpful other than a diagnosis. Not trying to convince anyone about anything, just what I believe. The important thing is that he's okay.

Sublimeballs · 01-10-15, 11:54 PM

But this whole thread clearly points out that you're not quailfied to diagnose issues in your animal, and if it were untreatable you put the animal down not let it suffer. You saying the vet can't help is you lying to yourself. The vet can tell you if anything can be done.

Edit: at this point the important thing is others that read this thread take away that doing nothing about an animals issues because you read that they might not respond well to treatment is never the way to go.

Marshallarts · 01-11-15, 01:13 AM

I would never let the animal suffer a death, I would put it down if it was suffering. My animal is okay, others who have treated their frogs well, they don't have a frog anymore

Zoo Nanny · 01-11-15, 06:03 AM

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I would never let the animal suffer a death, I would put it down if it was suffering.

Seriously how do you know if your animal is suffering? You can only guess and guessing is just not good enough.
So tell me since you have read so much and know so much why is the team in Panama catching the toads and frogs down there? If they are untreatable why are the vets bothering? Oh by the way the animals in Panama have chytrid.

Project launched to fight frog-killing fungus - Technology & science - Science | NBC News
Panama Amphibian Rescue and Conservation Project | Zoo New England

Sublimeballs · 01-11-15, 09:43 AM

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I would never let the animal suffer a death, I would put it down if it was suffering. My animal is okay, others who have treated their frogs well, they don't have a frog anymore

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The only exotics vet around charges 200$ for an exam, and 100$ for a fecal test. I can't afford that. And another thing, if my frog is sick, I'm not going to give it all these treatments that might cause it harm, pain, or discomfort, I'm sure the frog would prefer to die.

Your words. I can't afford it, not gonna risk trying to save it you'll just let it die. This was in response to someone telling you they took 2 frogs to the vet for antifungal treatment and one healed properly and lived for years afterwards. You ignored the fact that one took well to treatment and are only willing to hear that one died.

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Exactly, one of your frogs didn't make it. The stress of taking a frog to a vet is enough to kill it, I'm not risking that. Frogs almost always die anyways

your words