Anybody able to tell the sex of my Sav? this one has me stumped.. - Page 2

formica · 10-22-13, 02:10 PM

DB in his book, and various publications in Biawak magazine and elsewhere, have all described care methods which involved using different size enclosures as the monitors grew - the only point made about it, is the higher cost of using several enclosures, rather than going straight into one large one.

Now seriously, you lot may think you are doing the right thing, by constantly jumping on people over these issues, but you are not, aggressive tactics are counter productive, and frankly the attitude is getting a bit boring

how many monitor keepers have been driven away from this forum because of it? I've only been here a few months, and I've seen several already - is that what you want? just a little clique of experienced monitor keepers who can congratulate each other on how great their monitor care is, and how useless everyone else is at it? I'm sure thats not what you want, but its what will happen if you constantly look down on people and treat them like idiots.

Mikoh4792 · 10-22-13, 02:12 PM

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Hi, in what sense is the animal "doing good"? At this time the monitor is touching 2 feet with only (according to the OP) 7 INCHES of "air space" above the extremely wet looking bit of soil. That in your opinion is acceptable for such an intelligent and normally very active reptile like a Varanid?

Alright I probably shouldn't go any further since I'm not knowledgeable on this topic, but maybe the OP should show a pic of the animal in it's enclosure to see how much room it has.

murrindindi · 10-22-13, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Alright I probably shouldn't go any further since I'm not knowledgeable on this topic, but maybe the OP should show a pic of the animal in it's enclosure to see how much room it has.

You are perfectly entitled to express an opinion so long as you make it clear you have very little experience and knowledge of the subject (which you have done, good for you). All the same, I do think it sometimes just adds to the confusion, and we have more than enough of that already!

murrindindi · 10-22-13, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by formica

DB in his book, and various publications in Biawak magazine and elsewhere, have all described care methods which involved using different size enclosures as the monitors grew - the only point made about it, is the higher cost of using several enclosures, rather than going straight into one large one.

Now seriously, you lot may think you are doing the right thing, by constantly jumping on people over these issues, but you are not, aggressive tactics are counter productive, and frankly the attitude is getting a bit boring

how many monitor keepers have been driven away from this forum because of it? I've only been here a few months, and I've seen several already - is that what you want? just a little clique of experienced monitor keepers who can congratulate each other on how great their monitor care is, and how useless everyone else is at it? I'm sure thats not what you want, but its what will happen if you constantly look down on people and treat them like idiots.

Hi, Daniel Bennett does not keep Varanids in captivity.
In case you haven't noticed, most often the situation (for the animal) is quite DESPERATE, some individuals need a bit of a "wakeup call" to get them to listen and act.
Nobody among the more experienced is aggressive, just CONSTRUCTIVELY critical. This is not about your feelings, it`s about the animals that are being slaughtered in captivity in their THOUSANDS each and every year. No offense.....

ErikBush97 · 10-22-13, 02:36 PM

Okay... Did a bit of math to solve this issue. You said your lizard is approximately two feet. That would mean that from his head to his shoulders/ just above his arms is 3.5" long. Comparing that to the image of him next to the (pictured below), and comparing that to the birds eye view photo, I'd say that the Lizard is roughly the same length of the stone slab... Please correct me if my math is too far off. But here's about how long I'd say your monitor is. Hopefully this will settle this and there will be no need for further argument.

VaranidLover · 10-22-13, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GotsaQuestion

Okay... Did a bit of math to solve this issue. You said your lizard is approximately two feet. That would mean that from his head to his shoulders/ just above his arms is 3.5" long. Comparing that to the image of him next to the (pictured below), and comparing that to the birds eye view photo, I'd say that the Lizard is roughly the same length of the stone slab... Please correct me if my math is too far off. But here's about how long I'd say your monitor is. Hopefully this will settle this and there will be no need for further argument.

That is incorrect, he's a bit smaller I'd say. And not to mention the Sav just recently hit about 20''. That means from 5-6 inches he had PLENTY of room, and only NOW is getting to be to big for the tub, and I a building a final enclosure. What more do you guys want from me?

So since everyone is so high and mighty I'll be sure to post a birds eye view pic when I can, and after that I am done. You all think you have all the answers, blah blah blah, so I'll leave after that. If this is what you people feel proud about when you say "I am a reptile enthusiast" then good, because you are all fools besides the one person who defended me above^^ At least they have common sense and realize that there is a multitude of ways that things can be done, and nobody is perfect, even you Wayne.

Peace

murrindindi · 10-22-13, 04:16 PM

The tub is NOT 4 x 2 x 2 feet, this is the actual size according to the second post the OP made:

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And finally, a little off-topic but here's Crash's grow out tub. It is 42 inches long, 22 inches wide, and 20 inches tall.

If it`s only 20 inches tall and there`s 12 inches of substrate that leaves 8 inches of "air space" above ground (plus there are objects on top of the soil).
The OP states the monitor is actually 23 inches total length at this time.

To "GotsaQuestion"; this is not an argument, it`s an attempt by people with experience and knowledge to pass some of that on in the hope it will help others with less at this moment in time to better care for their animals.
"We" put a good amount of time and effort into this, to be called "aggressive" , and "patronising" and "treating people like idiots" by individuals like "Formica" is quite an insult! It is most often other keepers with more experience that stop visiting these websites because of the futility of trying to get the most basic of info across.
Personally, I`m a glutton for punishment (masochist) so I`ll continue, at least for the time being....

Mikoh4792 · 10-22-13, 04:17 PM

VaranidLover, I think Gotsaquestion was correct. You say he was 20". The cage is 24 inches deep.

Gotsaquestion's measurements seem to be approximately 20".

murrindindi · 10-22-13, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

VaranidLover, I think Gotsaquestion was correct. You say he was 20". The cage is 24 inches deep.

Gotsaquestion's measurements seem to be approximately 20".

Hi again, see my post above and the OP`s quoted post re the measurement of tub and monitor at this time...

VaranidLover · 10-22-13, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by murrindindi

Hi again, see my post above and the OP`s quoted post re the measurement of tub and monitor at this time...

I shortened the measurements to 4x2x2. It is only a few inches off anyways, the point is, the Sav has PLENTY of room, and had much much more as he was growing to 20-23''.

So, again, you should have NO argument, advice, or anything to offer, because everything is, and has, already been fine for the longest time, and will continue to be fine. I am very knowledgeable on Savs, and follow even Waynes advice down to a T.

So if I am doing anything wrong, blame Wayne. Besides for the choice of a grow out enclosure, that is all on me, and was a PERFECTLY FINE THING TO DO. As many, many others do.

Now go "punish" someone else that really deserves it you clowns.

Mikoh4792 · 10-22-13, 04:35 PM

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Hi again, see my post above and the OP`s quoted post re the measurement of tub and monitor at this time...

So why are the measurements changing all the time? lol. I'm confused.

VaranidLover · 10-22-13, 04:38 PM

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So why are the measurements changing all the time? lol. I'm confused.

They aren't. I estimated the Sav at 20-23'' or so, the cage is basically a 4x2x2 (proper measurements were given before, I'm not going to type out every time: 42 inches by 23 blah blah blah or whatever it is)

Hope that cleared it up.

Mikoh4792 · 10-22-13, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by VaranidLover

They aren't. I estimated the Sav at 20-23'' or so, the cage is basically a 4x2x2 (proper measurements were given before, I'm not going to type out every time: 42 inches by 23 blah blah blah or whatever it is)

Hope that cleared it up.

No offense but that's just being lazy. When it comes to floor space half a foot makes a difference. Especially considering that other measurements are also off(height and depth).

VaranidLover · 10-22-13, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

No offense but that's just being lazy. When it comes to floor space half a foot makes a difference. Especially considering that other measurements are also off(height and depth).

Well, I had already given the exact measurements and figured if i said 4x2x2 people would just click and realize what was going on, but apparently not, or you guys are just looking for stuff to complain about now. I don't know

Mikoh4792 · 10-22-13, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VaranidLover

Well, I had already given the exact measurements and figured if i said 4x2x2 people would just click and realize what was going on, but apparently not, or you guys are just looking for stuff to complain about now. I don't know

I'd say you're giving us things to complain about, although I wouldn't say what I did was complaining. I'm not trying to make an enemy of you, in fact if you go to the first page you'll see I was actually trying to defend you. But you do make it a little easy for others to complain.