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04-16-13, 12:11 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by V87
I agree with u about being out of the box It should b encouraged IMO ... And i knw they work at a range of temps .... sucking eggs right about now ....But I merely saying that 5 mins out of a viv isn't going to drop the core temp of a healthy warm monitor ....  also would love to b interested in the water that is warmer than land surface temps in the midday sun ??? And the lows of night time temps ...???? |
Neither I nor you mentioned water temps being warmer than the midday sun? For your info and anyone else who isn`t familiar with these animals in the wild, there are many locations where there are lakes which have higher temps than the early morning air, in these places the monitors will often leave their night retreats to soak in the water to actually warm up!
The temps in burrows are usually higher than the air outside during the night/early morning, surely you can accept that?
And a hatchling Varanid WILL lose core body temp in 5 minutes (not to suggest it will become immobile)!
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04-16-13, 12:26 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
The water will retain heat much better than the air. This is why coastal areas show less yearly temp fluctuations between night and day, winter and summer as well I believe. And in hot areas with minimal cloud cover, night temps drop significantly so i would think theres a few times during the day where the water was warmer than the air.
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04-16-13, 12:53 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by murrindindi
Neither I nor you mentioned water temps being warmer than the midday sun? For your info and anyone else who isn`t familiar with these animals in the wild, there are many locations where there are lakes which have higher temps than the early morning air, in these places the monitors will often leave their night retreats to soak in the water to actually warm up!
The temps in burrows are usually higher than the air outside during the night/early morning, surely you can accept that?
And a hatchling Varanid WILL lose core body temp in 5 minutes (not to suggest it will become immobile)! |
I accept all of wot u say but a fully warmed sub adult sav monitor is not goin have any health affects for being out of its viv for more than 5 mind which is wot I first started off saying ... And yes I believe u abou hatchlings but we are talking about a sub adult Bosc not any hatchling ...
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04-16-13, 01:00 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
I agree that my monitor will not get ill and die from me taking it out for a bit
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04-16-13, 01:04 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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I agree with u about being out of the box It should b encouraged IMO ... And i knw they work at a range of temps .... sucking eggs right about now .... But I merely saying that 5 mins out of a viv isn't going to drop the core temp of a healthy warm monitor .... also would love to b interested in the water that is warmer than land surface temps in the midday sun ??? And the lows of night time temps ...???? |
i didnt say that it will drop in 5 minutes, i said i dont keep them out longer than 5 minutes because i dont know how long i can keep him out without causing health risks so i just do it for a few minutes, and its always freezing in my apt. when summer rolls around he will get to go outside in the sun and walk around all he wants. but i dont even let my snakes out longer than 5 minutes about once a week. i tend to just leave my reptiles be.
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04-16-13, 01:06 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires
looks good, just dont keep her/him out of the enclosure too long you dont want the core body temp to drop and wanna keep them in the humidity i take mine out and let him run around for about 5 mins maybe less then back in the enclosure he goes. Hes happier there lol.  |
Kinda says that here ... 
Sounds like I'm trying to start an argument ... I'm not I'm just pointing out a healthy warm moni will not drop core temps with 5 mins or more out of its viv unless u love in Iceland or extreme cold ....
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04-16-13, 01:08 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Kinda says that here ... |
all that says is how long i keep mine out *personally*.... i just said dont keep him out too long, and then said thats how long i keep mine out but thats my opinion, i dont konw how long he can stay out, i wouldn't agree with an hour deff. but5 minutes is what i give all my reptiles. not just the one.
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04-16-13, 01:09 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by mygabriella
I agree that my monitor will not get ill and die from me taking it out for a bit
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That's all I was trying to get across ...
Someone saw my point ...
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04-16-13, 01:12 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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That's all I was trying to get across ...
Someone saw my point ... |
never said it would die either, i stated that they are happier in there with all their heat and humidity,
also, i have dogs that run around too, and i dont have a reptile room so i follow my man everywhere he goes to make sure my dogs dont mess with him, although they dont have a problem with him i still wont take that chance so 5 min's is what im comfortable with.
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04-16-13, 01:13 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires
all that says is how long i keep mine out *personally*.... i just said dont keep him out too long, and then said thats how long i keep mine out but thats my opinion, i dont konw how long he can stay out, i wouldn't agree with an hour deff. but5 minutes is what i give all my reptiles. not just the one.
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And telling someone they shouldn't keep there moni out for more than 5 mins ... 
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04-16-13, 01:15 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires
never said it would die either, i stated that they are happier in there with all their heat and humidity,
also, i have dogs that run around too, and i dont have a reptile room so i follow my man everywhere he goes to make sure my dogs dont mess with him, although they dont have a problem with him i still wont take that chance so 5 min's is what im comfortable with.
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I never said u did say it would die ? And that's cool I don't have a problem with ur opinion that is personal to u but to advise someone that it may have adverse effects ... Also I do believe they are for a portion of the time happier out of the box after a time of getting used to the outside of the box as its enriching ...
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04-16-13, 01:15 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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And telling someone they shouldn't keep there moni out for more than 5 mins ... |
OMG, i didnt tell her not to keep her monitor out longer than 5 minutes, please show me where i said that *exactly* because i didnt, i said that I IIIIIIII IIIII IIII IIII dont keep mine out longer, if you misunderstood me im sorry but my intention was not to say longer than 5 minutes would harm the lizard. its not what i said nor is it was i was meaning.
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I'm blunt, I'm abrasive, and I speak what is on my mind. And, I don't care.
Animals deserve the best care and treatment, I will always make sure they are getting just that.
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04-16-13, 01:17 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by V87
And that's cool I don't have a problem with ur opinion that is personal to u but to advise someone that it may have adverse effects ... Also I do believe they are for a portion of the time happier out of the box after a time of getting used to the outside of the box as its enriching ... |
i will agree with this, but only the ones that are stressed out constantly by owners that dont know how to properly take care of their monitor and are constantly force handling them and making them stressed out, and i also believe that if you would take said monitor out around a lot of other animals i could stress them out more thus they would be happier back inside their enclosure where they feel safer.
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I'm blunt, I'm abrasive, and I speak what is on my mind. And, I don't care.
Animals deserve the best care and treatment, I will always make sure they are getting just that.
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04-16-13, 01:19 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires
OMG, i didnt tell her not to keep her monitor out longer than 5 minutes, please show me where i said that *exactly* because i didnt, i said that I IIIIIIII IIIII IIII IIII dont keep mine out longer, if you misunderstood me im sorry but my intention was not to say longer than 5 minutes would harm the lizard. its not what i said nor is it was i was meaning.
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Dude I'm not trying to attack u I'm just saying ... Maybe I have read or interpreted it wrong if so my bad I haven't ment to cause offence ... Peace dude .... I'm just debating wot u said not trying to attack u ... 
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04-16-13, 01:20 PM
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#210
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Originally Posted by DeadlyDesires
i will agree with this, but only the ones that are stressed out constantly by owners that dont know how to properly take care of their monitor and are constantly force handling them and making them stressed out, and i also believe that if you would take said monitor out around a lot of other animals i could stress them out more thus they would be happier back inside their enclosure where they feel safer.
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Totally agree ... 
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