Borneo Short-tailed python will not eat

[Kneff1175]

OK. But if my temps stay around 80 should I mess with them. Thats with a probe on the cypress right next to her hide. Or just use the pad for emergencies? Lots of people have said they prefer cooler temps but higher humidity. She has a tall hide too. She seems too like it so Im inclined to just really leave it all be for now till she eats a few, or would it be best to get her a more snug hide? She really is way different than a ball or red tailed. I was really unprepared for this on. She was sort of an impulse buy. Once I put my hands on her at the show it was over. But I finally think Ive got things right. Now hopefully she takes care of the rest. On a side note the people I got her from said their male had worked his way in between the top and the tup and it crushed his top ribs of something. Maybe she was overstating because she said he was still alive, anyway I would really like to avoid that, so will she ever acclimate to a tank or will it be a tub her whole life. Either is fine, but having her just for personal reasons I would like to see her. How often is good to handle her, after she starts eating a few times. My red tail and balls seem to do fine with daily handling times of about 30 min. Do they like to be handled less? Do they stress easier. Every article Ive read seems to only say to leave them be for the first few weeks then normal handling. I noticed too that in the tank she was constantly burrowed, but last night and today in the tub shes just kinda hanging out. At least from what I see through the tub. ( Havent taken the top off). Is that good? Maybe shes more secure. This whole thing has taught me to not every snake is keep hot, feed, clean and presto snake keeping. This BST and Rosy Boa have showed me that number one above all is security. Theirs.

[Kneff1175]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Actually that what i use for all of my tubs and totes. UTH (under tank heaters) work just great. Just be sure to use a thermostat to control the temperature.

I was told that this species is way too heavy bodied for UTHs.

[Kneff1175]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Do you know what time of day they use to feed? I had one Borneo that would only eat live and never before it was dark outside. Pickiest damn eater i ever had.
Now to your set up Bloods and short tails do best in totes or tubs. But working with what you have it in. You need to cover at least 2/3 of the top of your cage to help hold your humidity in. Your low side should be closer to 73. Unlike Reds Bloods i found Short tail prefer it a little cooler. Also you need to ditch the light. The light coming into the room is plenty. Having a light on will stress them out. They prefer it darker makes them feel safer. Bloods and Short tails stress easy so more than likely it's just stress. How do you check temps? If you don't have one you really need to get a temp gun.

I have a zoo med item# RT-1. Its the kind where you take the top off point and it gives a reading after pushing the button. It lines up with the temps on the digital probed and analog therms I use in each tank. Its 81 throughout the tub.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

OK. But if my temps stay around 80 should I mess with them. Thats with a probe on the cypress right next to her hide. Or just use the pad for emergencies? Lots of people have said they prefer cooler temps but higher humidity. She has a tall hide too. She seems too like it so Im inclined to just really leave it all be for now till she eats a few, or would it be best to get her a more snug hide? She really is way different than a ball or red tailed. I was really unprepared for this on. She was sort of an impulse buy. Once I put my hands on her at the show it was over. But I finally think Ive got things right. Now hopefully she takes care of the rest. On a side note the people I got her from said their male had worked his way in between the top and the tup and it crushed his top ribs of something. Maybe she was overstating because she said he was still alive, anyway I would really like to avoid that, so will she ever acclimate to a tank or will it be a tub her whole life. Either is fine, but having her just for personal reasons I would like to see her. How often is good to handle her, after she starts eating a few times. My red tail and balls seem to do fine with daily handling times of about 30 min. Do they like to be handled less? Do they stress easier. Every article Ive read seems to only say to leave them be for the first few weeks then normal handling. I noticed too that in the tank she was constantly burrowed, but last night and today in the tub shes just kinda hanging out. At least from what I see through the tub. ( Havent taken the top off). Is that good? Maybe shes more secure. This whole thing has taught me to not every snake is keep hot, feed, clean and presto snake keeping. This BST and Rosy Boa have showed me that number one above all is security. Theirs.

I'm glad you learned your lesson. Don't buy animals you may be unprepared for. Handling this species is animal specific. Some do quite well, some are horrible and some are in between.

As for the person you got this from. I don't see how a tub lid would crush the snakes ribs. It makes very little sense.

As seen by your experience, your temps are too low. I wouldn't listen to the other people. How many have they kept who are telling you to keep low temps? Mine always did fantastic in the higher 80's. Eating machines.

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

I was told that this species is way too heavy bodied for UTHs.

Simply put, you were told wrong. I would recommend finding new sources of info.

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

I have a zoo med item# RT-1. Its the kind where you take the top off point and it gives a reading after pushing the button. It lines up with the temps on the digital probed and analog therms I use in each tank. Its 81 throughout the tub.

I don't know what that item is but see above comments about your temps.

[Kneff1175]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I'm glad you learned your lesson. Don't buy animals you may be unprepared for. Handling this species is animal specific. Some do quite well, some are horrible and some are in between.

As for the person you got this from. I don't see how a tub lid would crush the snakes ribs. It makes very little sense.

As seen by your experience, your temps are too low. I wouldn't listen to the other people. How many have they kept who are telling you to keep low temps? Mine always did fantastic in the higher 80's. Eating machines.





Simply put, you were told wrong. I would recommend finding new sources of info.



I don't know what that item is but see above comments about your temps.

Several sies say the will be way too heavy for UTHs as far as temps thats what I was told by a breeder in the same state as I am. Ill post his site and maybe you two can get the temp thing down. I think I may try to keep uping the temp a degree until I find out what makes her comfortable. His business is El Grande Bloods, and its at Https://www.facebook.com/El-Grande-B...meline/?ref=hl

[Tsubaki]

I have kept Bloods (Breitensteini / brongersmai) with UTH's in tubs, they did absolutely fine I gave them a cool spot to burrow, and a warm spot to burrow.. And that (besides feeding time) was the last i ever saw of them.. i think they were part mole...

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

Several sies say the will be way too heavy for UTHs as far as temps thats what I was told by a breeder in the same state as I am. Ill post his site and maybe you two can get the temp thing down. I think I may try to keep uping the temp a degree until I find out what makes her comfortable. His business is El Grande Bloods, and its at Https://www.facebook.com/El-Grande-B...meline/?ref=hl

As suggested, you were told wrong. Many people keep them with UTH's.

As for temps I'll stick to what I know and my experience.

Your link also didn't work.

[Kneff1175]

Originally Posted by Tsubaki

I have kept Bloods (Breitensteini / brongersmai) with UTH's in tubs, they did absolutely fine I gave them a cool spot to burrow, and a warm spot to burrow.. And that (besides feeding time) was the last i ever saw of them.. i think they were part mole...

Yeah she burrows like crazy. I put a pad under the tub this morning. So hopefully this will solve the riddle of the non feeding BST.

[Kneff1175]

[QUOTE=Aaron_S;976096]As suggested, you were told wrong. Many people keep them with UTH's.

As for temps I'll stick to what I know and my experience.

Your link also didn't work.[/QUOTE
Using your moderator position to avoid being blocked is somewhat harassing. This is the fifth time I have asked you not to reply to me. I do not like your tone,advice, or the pushiness in your response. I've tried to ignore you but you insist on inserting yourself in my threads over and over. Cmon dude just skip it. It was funny before but now it's just plain stalking. Please no more replies or private messages. I really would like you to just skip my threads. Thank you.

[Kneff1175]

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

Several sies say the will be way too heavy for UTHs as far as temps thats what I was told by a breeder in the same state as I am. Ill post his site and maybe you two can get the temp thing down. I think I may try to keep uping the temp a degree until I find out what makes her comfortable. His business is El Grande Bloods, and its at Https://www.facebook.com/El-Grande-B...meline/?ref=hl

El Grande bloods. I'm sure there aren't very many from Indiana on FB. Not hard.

[SnoopySnake]

Aaron isn't rude, just blunt. And he gives some pretty good advice. Ignoring it just because you don't like his "tone" could be a big mistake on your part. Why don't you like his advice? Because it goes against what you think you know?

[reptiledude987]

Originally Posted by SnoopySnake

Aaron isn't rude, just blunt. And he gives some pretty good advice. Ignoring it just because you don't like his "tone" could be a big mistake on your part. Why don't you like his advice? Because it goes against what you think you know?

Agreed. Aaron knows his stuff. but he wont sugar coat things he calls it the way he sees it. For those of us who have been on this forum for a while we expect this from him. He is blunt but rarely wrong. Plus when he is wrong about somthing he is humble enough to admit his mistake. In my time here I think Ive seen that maybe twice. However regarding your query here I personally agree 100% with what he has said.

[ManSlaughter33]

MAke sure you get a thermostat for the UTH, or it will burn your snakes belly.

PS
Aaron is very experienced and knowledgable.
Your basically in kiddy karate telling a master to eff off because of his tone, and blunt advice.. you might not like the tone, but all his advice is true and correct. Read it, learn it, you dont have to respond to his comments.

[Kneff1175]

her temps are at 86.7 on her digital probe therm. That's on hot during day. Cool side is 83. With a +/- .3 degrees. At night her temps drop to 81. And that is with a 1 degree drop too the cool side of 79. When should I attempt a feeding? Five to seven days? Or a couple of weeks. She's been in the tub since 10/5. However her temps were slowly raised to a top of 86.7. She's been on that temp since yesterday. Should I cover her tub also. I have other snakes in the room so I cannot just isolate her completely.

[Aaron_S]

[QUOTE=Kneff1175;976166]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

As suggested, you were told wrong. Many people keep them with UTH's.

As for temps I'll stick to what I know and my experience.

Your link also didn't work.[/QUOTE
Using your moderator position to avoid being blocked is somewhat harassing. This is the fifth time I have asked you not to reply to me. I do not like your tone,advice, or the pushiness in your response. I've tried to ignore you but you insist on inserting yourself in my threads over and over. Cmon dude just skip it. It was funny before but now it's just plain stalking. Please no more replies or private messages. I really would like you to just skip my threads. Thank you.

Unfortunately my job is to monitor all the threads. As a member as well as moderator I leave advice in threads I know I can add additional knowledge to.

However, I don't personally care if you or anyone in particular takes the said advice. My goals it to leave the advice out there for anyone reading the thread (many do but don't post) so they can then take the advice given in the thread and figure out what best suits them and their needs.

If you take any of this as personal then that's on you and how you handle things.

As I already sent a private message to you, yes you'll continue to recieve them because as long as you keep breaking the forum rules.

Originally Posted by Kneff1175

El Grande bloods. I'm sure there aren't very many from Indiana on FB. Not hard.

Already did. Just was letting you know the link wasn't working. Trying to be helpful is all.