Oook where do I have to go to legally own a paleosuchus palpebrosus? (dwarf caiman)

Niten · 01-01-15, 05:18 PM

If I can find a EU country where it's legal I can have it shipped there and then take it home without any border checks. It's a shame in Italy you're allowed to own a Pit Bull that can easily kill a human adult and not a 1 mt long bag of soft, docile sweetness (ehm... O.o)

**Minkness** · 01-01-15, 05:20 PM

It is never advised that you smuggle an animal into a territory where it's illegal.

Niten · 01-01-15, 05:25 PM

Yeah I guess it's not advisable ^^" let's hope for some advice anyway... My only concern is about violating the forum rules at the moment.

FWK · 01-01-15, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Niten

Yeah I guess it's not advisable ^^" let's hope for some advice anyway... My only concern is about violating the forum rules at the moment.

You clearly have your priorities in order. No one here is going to help you break the law (I hope). I also hope your comment directed at Pit Bull Terriers is sarcasm. I will give you some advice, I strongly advise you to not break the law.

Niten · 01-02-15, 02:41 AM

sigh... T_T

Zoo Nanny · 01-02-15, 11:01 AM

The problem with breaking the law with an animal isn't what happens to you but to the animal. Many countries with laws banning a particular species of wildlife is doing so for a reason such as invasive potential. In this case the animals when confiscated are put at risk of euthanasia.

Lankyrob · 01-02-15, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoo Nanny

The problem with breaking the law with an animal isn't what happens to you but to the animal. Many countries with laws banning a particular species of wildlife is doing so for a reason such as invasive potential. In this case the animals when confiscated are put at risk of euthanasia.

Also his breaking the law makes it harder for others to legally own animals and easier for governments to create tougher restrictions

Niten · 01-02-15, 12:44 PM

Ooooook, so tell me where I have to live to own one legally. T_T I didn't think about the euthanasia option. No way.

Kuamata · 01-06-15, 02:17 AM

Please, no. Just stop. Given that you've already expressed interest in breaking the law and endangering an animal's welfare, I don't think anyone would trust you with that kind of information, considering everything that has been spoken here. Please just stop. You're giving the actually responsible reptile keepers a bad reputation by behaving like this, which results in stricter regulations on us for something we didn't do. We're tired of taking the downfall for irresponsible people that behave like you're suggesting.

Edit: Additionally, they ARE NOT, 100% ARE NOT.. for beginners like you. They take A LOT of time and dedication, and A LOT of maintenance. I had one, it was a lot of work. He had to be rehomed because of state regulations, I wanted what was best for him, not breaking the law and risking his life, as I did not know the laws restricted his species(they weren't specific about it).

Niten · 01-06-15, 05:38 AM

Laws aren't clear in my country as well, last modification was probably written by a priest or a pornstar, not an animal expert for sure. They just cancelled everything "dangerous" and nobody knows what they mean with it... in fact some sellers in Italy keep on selling tarantulas and scorpions, as they cannot kill (if you are allergic a bee is enough), I may even find one selling dwarf caimans, who knows.

Regarding exerience you are certainly right, they say they have a hard temperament, they need lots of space, they have to be approached with extreme caution, never during feeding time and etc. I'll think 10 times before doing it, don't worry... Anyway at least I'm not one of those who throw them in the toilet as soon as they become mature.

Regarding reptile keepers reputation I think they can't take away anything more from us besides freedom...

Mikoh4792 · 01-06-15, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Niten

If I can find a EU country where it's legal I can have it shipped there and then take it home without any border checks. It's a shame in Italy you're allowed to own a Pit Bull that can easily kill a human adult and not a 1 mt long bag of soft, docile sweetness (ehm... O.o)

I bet you an ignorant pitbull owner would say the same thing about large constrictors and venomous snakes. Let's not bash on other animals. Pitbulls are no different than other dogs. A poorly raised lab is more dangerous than a properly raised pitbull. Pitbulls do not lock their jaws and their jaws do not have the strongest bite force in the dog world. It's all about upbringing.

Niten · 01-06-15, 09:56 AM

I know I know, I was just provoking

SnoopySnake · 01-06-15, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I bet you an ignorant pitbull owner would say the same thing about large constrictors and venomous snakes. Let's not bash on other animals. Pitbulls are no different than other dogs. A poorly raised lab is more dangerous than a properly raised pitbull. Pitbulls do not lock their jaws and their jaws do not have the strongest bite force in the dog world. It's all about upbringing.

+1.. pitbulls actually have less bite pressure than rottweilers and German shepherds

Jrich · 01-06-15, 11:50 AM

Off subject of reptiles but I was brutally attacked in the face by a "family" pitbull and did nothing to provoke it when I was just a small girl. The dog was not abused and grew up in a great home. If no one was there it would've killed me. Look up dog bite stats for the US. Why do pitbulls hold the majority for maimings, bodily harms and deaths to humans but yet make up a small percentage of the US/Canada dog population. ? Check out dogsbite.org. I am sure that there are very sweet pitbulls that would never do such because I've meet them but I still exercise more caution with this breed as well as A few others. We all recognize certain kinds of snakes to be more aggressive/nippy than others why is it any different for certain dog breeds? I don't advocate for an entire ban on the breed because they have the potential to be great animals, I just don't think it's a great idea that a prone breed can be obtained by anyone.

Niten · 01-06-15, 12:32 PM

The difference is that a dog is much easier to educate, they don't need any taming, they won't bite you for a lack of humidity and they naturally tend to respect the alpha. With some species you have to be very firm but usually if you have an aggressive dog it's because you wanted it or you just did Everything wrong.