Your view of the reptile hobby

[poison123]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

This is why I avoided this thread altogether.

Its cause of Mikoh huh?

I hate that dude

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by poison123

Its cause of Mikoh huh?

I hate that dude

Yeah me too. That guy keeps expressing his views in a thread about epressing views. When is he going to shut up and do something about it?

[AussieSnake]

Really glad we don't have Ball pythons in Australia (legal ones at least) if this is the uproar they cause. Phew Its good to read a thread like this though as I think the hobby in Australia is probably at a stage that North America was 10-15 years ago, we are starting to see the emergence of larger breeders and new morphs, we are still restricted by government laws in different states though around what can be sold and how. I hope the hobby stays a hobby, that's my view.

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by AussieSnake

Really glad we don't have Ball pythons in Australia (legal ones at least) if this is the uproar they cause. Phew Its good to read a thread like this though as I think the hobby in Australia is probably at a stage that North America was 10-15 years ago, we are starting to see the emergence of larger breeders and new morphs, we are still restricted by government laws in different states though around what can be sold and how. I hope the hobby stays a hobby, that's my view.

to tell you the truth it's not really an uproar. I think most people are fine with it, some people like me are a bit annoyed by it but it's not a big deal.

The only uproar is when I state my opinions and people tell me I have no right to unless I take action. Like really? Okay there are too many ball pythons at expos, how about I just won't go to them. I'm not going to try to be a hero and change the scene. Let the people do what they want. If everyone wants to breed ball pythons and have nothing but ball pythons at expos....let it be. I'll just say I don't like it and stand back.

Same with drugs. If people want to take heroin let em. I don't like it. I'll say I don't like it. But I'm not going to try and be a hero and because a heroin addict tells me " If you don't like people taking heroin, do something about it!"

The ball python morph craze is much more trivial than that.

With a thread started originally for sharing views, it became into a multi-page long defense of myself for wanting to share our views without calling eachother out on complaining, being lazy...etc.

[AussieSnake]

Fair Point. I have seen similar threads started on Australian forums, and similar stuff happens. A lot of people get into a 15 page dialogue around who's view is right etc etc.
But I do find that the common thread to it all is money. In any popular or growing hobby/industry, their will be people/companies that benefit from the growth, and their contribution to the hobby is always questioned (sometimes rightfully so).
My belief is my hobby is for me, I do what I want without the influence of the fads and crazes. My animals are mine to care for and any advances in husbandry, as well as legislation is great, and if there was any sort of organisation in Australia that spoke up for the reptile hobby in Australia I would support them, if the benefits were for everyone, not just those with the most to gain. I don't think a personal hobby is there for anyone to change. I will agree with you on that, if it is your hobby you don't have to change anything for anyone.

P.S - By the looks of your avatar Mikoh, your Morelia don't get outside much. LOL

[Terranaut]

Originally Posted by poison123

Its cause of Mikoh huh?

I hate that dude

No........

Very few people here can "discuss". Most choose to "argue".

[limey]

Originally Posted by Terranaut

No........

Very few people here can "discuss". Most choose to "argue".

It would seem you are right.

I was just penalized like a little boy for using the term "man-made" to describe most of the obscure morphs that exist in the snake hobby.

Well.. *sighs* I fail to believe that "lavender albino retics", for example, are all over the place in the jungles of Southeast Asia. Granted some genetic anomalies exist in nature, of course they do. However, most "morphs" we see today, most (not all) especially in the ball python arena were created by selective breeding, not by catching them in that state in the wild.

Selective breeding is done by humans. Human intervention is done by men. If something is done by men, it is man-made. Perhaps the term "man-made" is a little misleading. (However it could be used as a very simple, generic explanation - a term I might use to explain a bright yellow, black and orange ball python, for example, to an 8 year old kid that is under the impression that these snakes occur in that colour in the wild after he saw one at a show, or at the previous zoo I was head keeper of).

It is my opinion (and get this: opinion is what this thread is all about lol) that wild morphs are as "natural" as it gets. And therefore I like them best. Period. My opinion. No need to be offended, kiddies

But of course, it would seem that there are always those that wish to argue. Nitpick the little things and try to create an argument out of them.

It's hard to take the people on this forum too seriously though

Can't believe I just wasted 10 minutes of my life explaining myself to somebody I don't even know, or doesn't know me... lol...

Okay, back to more important things... bye for now