Your view of the reptile hobby

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by poison123

eh. Its easier if I just let someone else do it . I'm not in a hurry.

SO what you're saying is you expect someone else to do it. It hasn't happened yet and you think someone is just going to go and do it all for you. The sadder part is you won't even support that person. You said you'd take a pic (because you're cheap) and not support what YOU YOURSELF wanted to see changed! So what kind of encouragement is it to that person to continue that? Absolutely none.

Most likely it isn't going to happen if it hasn't already. It isn't like frogs are something brand new...

My expectation (and I guess that's where I was wrong in actually having any) is that this thread wouldn't just be complaints. It would spark discussion on what someone can do and was going to go do.

Instead we got people (and I use that term lightly) complaining about this and that (mostly common morph animals as per the usual) and expecting someone else to fix things because this that or the other thing.

This is why we have the government making and passing laws. The mindset is always "someone else will do it for me".

The truth is no one else is. Yes there are groups out there but they need actually support. Not some random petition (they don't work) with random names from places that are a 1000 miles away (politicians seriously don't care about those people).
The sadder truth is when I went to those meetings there were very few people in attendance for any support. It's sad that the giant keepers never showed up either.

I agree with Lori. If you aren't willling to do anything about it then you forfeit the right to complain.

Just like those people who don't vote but complain about the elected official.

[poison123]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

SO what you're saying is you expect someone else to do it.

Not expecting anything but I would like it if this happened.

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

It hasn't happened yet and you think someone is just going to go and do it all for you. The sadder part is you won't even support that person. You said you'd take a pic (because you're cheap) and not support what YOU YOURSELF wanted to see changed! So what kind of encouragement is it to that person to continue that? Absolutely none.

Don't know why words are being put in my mouth now. I don't think anybody is going to do it for me. I said no such thing. All I said was "I would like to see". If someone did what I liked then I would support them by saying "good job" or a pat on the back if thats what you would like? May purchase the animal depending on what we're talking about.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by formica

neither of those links are about this topic.

this is not YOUR hobby, it is all of ours, and nothing ever progresses without criticism, i dont see why you feel the need to take it personally and then attack everyone who points out things which need to be pointed out....because currently, people are happy to just forget those problems exist. Its really no wonder there are so many direct action and lobby groups attacking OUR hobby.

Wow...... Apparently you have a hard time putting coherent thoughts in order. Aaron is advocating for people to go out and so something about what they perceive to be a problem and not to just ignore it....

[poison123]

Just a selfish I can live with.

Ah see what I did there? ^ I'm good huh?

[lady_bug87]

Originally Posted by poison123

Just a selfish I can live with.

Ah see what I did there? ^ I'm good huh?

Not nearly as good as you think...

[poison123]

My original post was not a complaint in any way. I just stated what I would like to see. No problem if something changes or not.

[psychocircus]

ITT: A couple of people don't believe in freedom of speech.

ITT: A couple people have never complained about anything before.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by psychocircus

ITT: A couple of people don't believe in freedom of speech.

ITT: A couple people have never complained about anything before.

I don't complain unless I'm willing to change something or because I have the right to complain as I took part in something. IE. when I vote and the elected official isn't the one I voted for so therefore I can complain when they are idiots.

[limey]

My impression, other than agreeing with what others have said is this:

- Yes, too many people are crazy about these man-made "morphs". To quote a friend of mine "Morphs generally tend to attract the wrong type of people to the hobby".

- Wild phase animals are the most beautiful - they are what mother nature created, they have natural beauty and not been manipulated or selectively bred by humans to achieve a certain desired look or effect. Therefore, any upstanding naturalist should consider "normals" to be a staple of their "collection". If hoarding is what you are in to.

- There is a very small percentage of keepers that actually know what they are talking about, through and through. And of those that do, there is a tendency towards condescension of other reptile keepers. Such has been the occasional history on this forum (people butting heads, telling others they are wrong, or they know best etc).

All in all, there does tend to be a lot of reptile keepers with superiority complexes. That is one thing I would change - make more keepers "down to earth".

Outside the hobby itself - I would like to see more knowledge of reptiles throughout the world in general. To change social perceptions and our understanding of snakes. So many clueless or fearful people out there. It blows my mind.

[psychocircus]

Originally Posted by limey

My impression, other than agreeing with what others have said is this:

- Yes, too many people are crazy about these man-made "morphs". To quote a friend of mine "Morphs generally tend to attract the wrong type of people to the hobby".

- Wild phase animals are the most beautiful - they are what mother nature created, they have natural beauty and not been manipulated or selectively bred by humans to achieve a certain desired look or effect. Therefore, any upstanding naturalist should consider "normals" to be a staple of their "collection". If hoarding is what you are in to.

- There is a very small percentage of keepers that actually know what they are talking about, through and through. And of those that do, there is a tendency towards condescension of other reptile keepers. Such has been the occasional history on this forum (people butting heads, telling others they are wrong, or they know best etc).

All in all, there does tend to be a lot of reptile keepers with superiority complexes. That is one thing I would change - make more keepers "down to earth".

Outside the hobby itself - I would like to see more knowledge of reptiles throughout the world in general. To change social perceptions and our understanding of snakes. So many clueless or fearful people out there. It blows my mind.

Well said. I agree with everything you said

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by limey

My impression, other than agreeing with what others have said is this:

- Yes, too many people are crazy about these man-made "morphs". To quote a friend of mine "Morphs generally tend to attract the wrong type of people to the hobby".

Morphs aren't "man made" they are genetic deformities that exist in nature. The reason we have them in the hobby is because they survived long enough to A) pass on their genes or B) to be captured and imported.

Originally Posted by limey

- Wild phase animals are the most beautiful - they are what mother nature created, they have natural beauty and not been manipulated or selectively bred by humans to achieve a certain desired look or effect. Therefore, any upstanding naturalist should consider "normals" to be a staple of their "collection". If hoarding is what you are in to.

This is all purely a personal opinion and some serious misinformation. All of the mutations are created by "mother nature", hence why almost all morphs were actually WC and imported.

My personal opinion is that leopard boas are the most beautiful boa their is available. The leopard gene comes from a specific location where they are found in the wild.

Originally Posted by limey

- There is a very small percentage of keepers that actually know what they are talking about, through and through. And of those that do, there is a tendency towards condescension of other reptile keepers. Such has been the occasional history on this forum (people butting heads, telling others they are wrong, or they know best etc).

All in all, there does tend to be a lot of reptile keepers with superiority complexes. That is one thing I would change - make more keepers "down to earth".
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You're right about a very small percentage of keepers actually knowing what they are talking about. Most keepers know next to nothing about what they are talking about yet will argue and fight tooth and nail because they truly believe they are right. That is what breeds the feelings of condescension from the learned. We have to literally pounds the message home and work continually to keep bad information from spreading and quite frankly it gets old real quick.

[AussieSnake]

[QUOTE=KORBIN5895;901737]Morphs aren't "man made" they are genetic deformities that exist in nature. The reason we have them in the hobby is because they survived long enough to A) pass on their genes or B) to be captured and imported.


This may be true for colours and patterns, but what about the jag gene in Morelia species, I can't say that you would see too many neuro cases surviving long in the wild? I'm not 100%, but I wouldn't be betting my house that the first jag was found on a branch in North Queensland.

[KORBIN5895]

[QUOTE=AussieSnake;901741]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Morphs aren't "man made" they are genetic deformities that exist in nature. The reason we have them in the hobby is because they survived long enough to A) pass on their genes or B) to be captured and imported.


This may be true for colours and patterns, but what about the jag gene in Morelia species, I can't say that you would see too many neuro cases surviving long in the wild? I'm not 100%, but I wouldn't be betting my house that the first jag was found on a branch in North Queensland.

Isn't the jag gene a co-dominant gene? If so then it would've had to have been a WC.

Spider bp are a dominant gene and the first one was a WC. Spiders also have a head wobble.

[AussieSnake]

I don't argue that the original gene occurred naturally in an individual snake, however I believe the first jag was bred overseas, not in Australia, so therefore it was through a selective breeding process in captivity. If this mating was to occur naturally in the wild (which I doubt), I don't think you would have too many surviving. As stated, I'm no expert, just my 2 cents.

Anyway this is off subject from the thread, sorry for any derailing.

[Terranaut]

This is why I avoided this thread altogether.