Feeding by weight instead of appropriate sized meals. More in depth feeding schedule. - Page 2

**EL Ziggy** · 08-22-13, 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=SSSSnakes;865437] "There are many ways of doing something with the same results. My way or your way is not always wrong or right, as long as the results are the same. Healthy snakes.

Once again, I agree with you Jerry. There is more than one way to do most things. The ultimate goal remains to raise happy/healthy snakes. As far as differing opinions, my motto is to each his own and different strokes for different folks. Thanks to everyone for sharing your knowledge and experiences.

**EL Ziggy** · 08-22-13, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

First of all you need to look up the definitions of the words "domestic" and "domestication" before you can call them "wild".

They do not behave as our more common domestic creatures but it doesn't make them "wild".

Secondly, I know what you're getting that but where do we draw that line of "experience natural behaviour" and "advantages of captivity"? I would say it's different for each keeper as I personally believe there's nothing "natural" we can give them. They won't act like it at all because they have no reason to and are adapted to their conditions for the most part.

Third, as I've stated just because they can do something doesn't mean it's in their best interest. It's putting our own selfish morals ahead of the animals well being because we feel "good" about ourselves if we let them "experience nature" in some ways.

I know this is a hyperbolic example but if you want to really experience them in a natural set up. Set up a room, have various species, a "sun" and different heat and cool spots. Even set it up to mimic rain and don't forget to introduce predators! To really see them behave naturally.

Aaron, I don't think you understood my point and I don't really understand yours but it's neither here nor there. Thanks for the information.

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Where's the argument? I simply said I don't like the reasoning behind your decision nor did I say it was wrong. Point out the exact words 'you're wrong' in my post. You're being silly because someone showed another view with information and facts.

I backed my statements up with data with my own collection (which isn't small) over a period of a few years. This is MY data and I've passed this information on to my customers as well as close friends. Some of which belong to this forum and if they wish will attest to my methods working among various species.

I simply made my case so that anyone reading doesn't have to ask why and they have the information already present from me.

I never directed this post to you. The statement was in general.

**lady_bug87** · 08-22-13, 12:56 PM

I happen to use Aaron's method for feeding and I have seen more consistent growth and have noticed a better feed response

**Aaron_S** · 08-22-13, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy

Aaron, I don't think you understood my point and I don't really understand yours but it's neither here nor there. Thanks for the information.

I have two points.

1. These are domestic animals by definition so why treat them exactly like wild animals as you put it?

2. That if we take away the definition of domestic and wild that each keeper individually has a moral compass that directs them to give them as "natural" a life as possible. It's because it helps them not feel bad about shoving reptiles into enclosures and keeping them in captivity. They feel if they see a "proper" natural environment and feed it like the wild counterparts that the snake will be happier. This varies depending on keeper.

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I happen to use Aaron's method for feeding and I have seen more consistent growth and have noticed a better feed response

That is great and I'm glad it works for you. But have you tried any other methods for a lengthy period of time to get other results? I have used a similar method as Aaron's when I first started out, but found other methods that worked better for me. What ever works best for you.

**Aaron_S** · 08-22-13, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

I never directed this post to you. The statement was in general.

It may have been a general statement but it came after my response to you so it's a simple leap of faith to presume you're saying I'm making an argument because you don't "beat your drum to popular choice" and that I'm saying it's my way or no way. It may come up in other threads but at this point in time it's directed towards me.

As I said it's not an argument though. I try to give as much information to other keepers as possible and why I do things. I backed up my claims and I didn't even ask for yours. I simply said from the records of data I've done here is my information.

Never once did I say you or anyone had to use it.

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

It may have been a general statement but it came after my response to you so it's a simple leap of faith to presume you're saying I'm making an argument because you don't "beat your drum to popular choice" and that I'm saying it's my way or no way. It may come up in other threads but at this point in time it's directed towards me.

As I said it's not an argument though. I try to give as much information to other keepers as possible and why I do things. I backed up my claims and I didn't even ask for yours. I simply said from the records of data I've done here is my information.

Never once did I say you or anyone had to use it.

You assumed wrong. If I meant to direct the statement to you,, I would have quoted you.

**Aaron_S** · 08-22-13, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

You assumed wrong. If I meant to direct the statement to you,, I would have quoted you.

So who else in this thread was apparently "arguing"?

Why would you make a general statement like that if there was no "argument" to direct it towards?

**lady_bug87** · 08-22-13, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

That is great and I'm glad it works for you. But have you tried any other methods for a lengthy period of time to get other results? I have used a similar method as Aaron's when I first started out, but found other methods that worked better for me. What ever works best for you.

Yes I have.
For a while I was feeding large meals (~30%) on a staggered schedule. The larger the meal the longer I waited.

They were still healthy but less active.

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So who else in this thread was apparently "arguing"?

Why would you make a general statement like that if there was no "argument" to direct it towards?

Who said I was talking only about this thread? Stop assuming.

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Yes I have.
For a while I was feeding large meals (~30%) on a staggered schedule. The larger the meal the longer I waited.

They were still healthy but less active.

In my statement i never said only feeding larger items, I said many different size prey items. Sometimes smaller prey items than normal and other times larger prey items.

**lady_bug87** · 08-22-13, 02:41 PM

I get what you're saying. I used to feed what i had on hand I just used to buy big.

Once I changed methods feeding by weight is my preference

SSSSnakes · 08-22-13, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I get what you're saying. I used to feed what i had on hand I just used to buy big.

Once I changed methods feeding by weight is my preference

Exactly, and I am glad it is working for you.

SKYlord · 08-22-13, 08:39 PM

I call bull on Aarons. You didn't back you statements up anymore than Jerry did. You both are using your personal experience from your personal collections. Stop being so arrogant.