Rescue

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

If you want to say something is a lie because you simply haven't experienced it yourself, that's your deal. That's fine but take it to a different thread. This isn't the thread for that. I didn't say people can't disagree, but just because somebody says something you disagree with, especially on a topic so untouched like a reptile's brain, it doesn't make them a liar. It doesn't make them wrong. It makes them open minded enough they aren't going to jump down a person throat (like you are) when somebody says something they don't necessarily share the same feelings for.

One thing I hate about the herp community. The majority's ability to start a flame over a keeper who simply stated an opinion and claim somebody is a liar just because they've had an uncommon experience.

Opinions are like really big dicks. It's more than fine to have one, but don't go shoving it down everyones throats.

I pointed you to the other thread. You haven't posted and went off about some random people you probably made up.

Some little known fact about me, in my mid - late teens I worked in pet stores with multitude of reptiles. I saw multiple animals in cages and I would regularly pull them out to sell or whatever and not an issue with separation. So I haven't experienced it? Try again. I've got more than you're single sample.

Hello? Do you read what I put? I asked for proof of your points. Meaning I am open minded to the idea IF there's information to back it up. You cast off the whole limbic system idea so who's really open minded here? Who's the one leaving facts out to better substantiate their ideas so they aren't wrong?

You can say what you want about "flaming" but it wasn't started that way. I called you a liar when you started "paraphrasing" random things.

This forum, and I'm sure others, strongly dislike liars. There was one and she no longer exists on any forums. No shame in not being experienced or anything but don't lie about it to make yourself look cool.

[Abraxxos]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Hello? Do you read what I put? I asked for proof of your points. Meaning I am open minded to the idea IF there's information to back it up. You cast off the whole limbic system idea so who's really open minded here? Who's the one leaving facts out to better substantiate their ideas so they aren't wrong?

This forum, and I'm sure others, strongly dislike liars. There was one and she no longer exists on any forums. No shame in not being experienced or anything but don't lie about it to make yourself look cool.

Hello? Do you read what I put? I pointed out those aren't my points and I care nothing to debate with you. Again, if you want to call it a lie, that's fine. I don't care. Go right ahead. I don't cast off the whole limbic system idea. I am open minded. To the fact to a reptile's brain doesn't work the same as a humans brain. Yes. They do not have a limbic system and in MAMMALS limbic systems control things like emotions. These aren't mammals. We don't know enough about reptilian brains to know that there isn't another part of the brain that takes care of that instead. Yeah a limbic system does that in mammals. This isn't a mammal. They work very differently from mammals. We expect their brains to work similarly but the truth is we don't know if they work similarly or not. That is my argument and the only argument I care to post because it is valid as **** and nobody can prove it wrong because nobody has that proof because nobody knows. I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. They haven't even mapped out the human brain entirely. They don't know all of it's functions. Why should we expect to know how a reptile's brain functions? We don't actually know. I've had this debate multiple times and I really don't care to have it again. Nobody cares what I think, though, I'm crazy, remember? I don't like bothering to debate with people who resort to insulting people and making obscene accusations.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

Hello? Do you read what I put? I pointed out those aren't my points and I care nothing to debate with you.

Wait. They aren't your points? What would these be then?

You're right. There is something wrong with that. It's separation stress. I didn't say they 'missed' each other. Everyone knows snakes don't feel like that ~dripping sarcasm~.

These snakes have been seen by several vets now who, after not only having the behaviour described but watching the behaviour themselves, they explained it as stress induced by separation. The change in the norm (the norm being with the other snake) is too jarring for them and was described as making them feel vulnerable.

Huh. Those look like points you fully agree with and take on as your own.

I don't cast off the whole limbic system idea.

This is counter to what you said.

And, telling everyone right now, pointing out that they don't have limbic systems means jack to me so just really don't even bother

You do cast it off. Why do you switch views all the time to suit your next argument?

I am open minded.

Obviously not. Here's where you shut someone else down.

Don't take it personally, but you haven't seen these snakes and you haven't seen every case in the world by any means. I'm not saying your opinion isn't valid, but I can already tell you you're wrong.

Yeah...open minded to other's ideas. Clearly shown.

To the fact to a reptile's brain doesn't work the same as a humans brain. Yes. They do not have a limbic system and in MAMMALS limbic systems control things like emotions. These aren't mammals. We don't know enough about reptilian brains to know that there isn't another part of the brain that takes care of that instead. Yeah a limbic system does that in mammals. This isn't a mammal. They work very differently from mammals. We expect their brains to work similarly but the truth is we don't know if they work similarly or not. That is my argument and the only argument I care to post because it is valid as **** and nobody can prove it wrong because nobody has that proof because nobody knows. I don't know. You don't know. Nobody knows. They haven't even mapped out the human brain entirely. They don't know all of it's functions. Why should we expect to know how a reptile's brain functions? We don't actually know. I've had this debate multiple times and I really don't care to have it again. Nobody cares what I think, though, I'm crazy, remember? I don't like bothering to debate with people who resort to insulting people and making obscene accusations.

I never called you crazy. I called you liar. You say they've seen "professionals" but a lot of people claim to be "reptile professionals" and they really aren't. You haven't given names or reports. Considering you've had this debate before you should know that factual documentation is key to proving ones point.

Why not have this done by them? Why not show the world you've got ground breaking animals in your own house? If you truly have your stance and it's fine then why not try to sway everybody else with the facts you apparently have?

Clearly there's something wrong with this picture.

I make my opinions based on the current data available. When it changes then I'll re-assess my views and go from there. I don't mind being wrong but I'd like proof I'm wrong and not someone spouting off about some random rescues. Apparently this ONLY happens with rescues. Not a single other pair of snakes.

[Abraxxos]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Clearly there's something wrong with this picture.

Clearly you're piecing together multiple conversations to make me look worse and misconstrue things. IF you'd read the whole post maybe you'd learn something or understand my points. You wanted a point. There's my point. Take it or leave it. You asked for it, I put it out there. You don't like it. Not my ****ing problem. End of story.

Current data? You mean INCOMPLETE data. You mean data that scratches the surface of the reptilian brain and only proves they are different from mammals. Oh my god. That's such a discovery! You can tell they're different just by looking at them. Holy mother of god Batman, they have scales. Holy bat nipples Batman, they're cold blooded! Holy anatomy Batman, they have a Jacobson's Organ - a forked tongue - HEMI PENES. Obviously they aren't like us. OBviously their brains don't work the same either. There is nothing to back it up. It's conjecture. Theory. Nothing more nothing less. OPINION. Oh my god, stone me, burn me on the stake and condemn me to hell for I expressed an opinion.

I don't understand assholes like you. You sit there and you badger, harass insult and accuse and when the person finally replies with something valid, you **** all over it. Please get a life.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

Clearly you're piecing together multiple conversations to make me look worse and misconstrue things. IF you'd read the whole post maybe you'd learn something or understand my points. You wanted a point. There's my point. Take it or leave it. You asked for it, I put it out there. You don't like it. Not my ****ing problem. End of story.

I don't understand assholes like you. You sit there and you badger, harass insult and accuse and when the person finally replies with something valid, you **** all over it. Please get a life.

It isn't valid...I asked for the validation. Politely at first. You refused. That's fine but don't get the panties in a wad when you're called on it.

I love being told to get a life. I have quite a fine one thank you.

Since you edited: They aren't actually "cold-blooded". Their blood rises to higher degrees than ours does! "Ectotherm" would be a much better choice in words.

Oh, by the way, are snakes solitary?

[Abraxxos]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

It isn't valid...I asked for the validation. Politely at first. You refused. That's fine but don't get the panties in a wad when you're called on it.

I love being told to get a life. I have quite a fine one thank you.

Since you edited: They aren't actually "cold-blooded". Their blood rises to higher degrees than ours does! "Ectotherm" would be a much better choice in words.

Oh, by the way, are snakes solitary?

I AM NOT ****ING DEBATING WITH YOU. GET OVER YOURSELF AND STOP BADGERING ME FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. For the last ****ing time, there IS NO VALIDATION BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL THEORIES ON SOMETHING WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

It is not illegal or wrong or against the rules to have a ****ing opinion. I have asked you without vulgarity to stop and I have NO PROBLEMS asking Wayne to just close the ****ing thread and taking the time to start a new one free of this bullshit.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. SERIOUSLY. FFS. End of the mother****ing story. Done. SO DONE with you and your asinine remarks and you sitting there acting like you give a **** about an opinion, asking for it and then completely ignoring it. What the **** was even the point of that? There wasn't one.

Originally Posted by smy_749

Now who is being vulgar? ....

Vulgar but not directly insulting. There's a difference between saying 'I'm ****ing done, I feel like ****, I ****ed up, for ****s sake, etc' and saying '**** you, you are a piece of ****'

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

I AM NOT ****ING DEBATING WITH YOU. GET OVER YOURSELF AND STOP BADGERING ME FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY. For the last ****ing time, there IS NO VALIDATION BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL THEORIES ON SOMETHING WE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.

It is not illegal or wrong or against the rules to have a ****ing opinion. I have asked you without vulgarity to stop and I have NO PROBLEMS asking Wayne to just close the ****ing thread and taking the time to start a new one free of this bullshit.

THIS IS NOT A DEBATE THREAD. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE. SERIOUSLY. FFS. End of the mother****ing story. Done. SO DONE with you and your asinine remarks and you sitting there acting like you give a **** about an opinion, asking for it and then completely ignoring it. What the **** was even the point of that? There wasn't one.



Vulgar but not directly insulting. There's a difference between saying 'I'm ****ing done, I feel like ****, I ****ed up, for ****s sake, etc' and saying '**** you, you are a piece of ****'

Calm down there child.

Debates can happen in any thread.It's the point of an open forum.

You may not have wanted to continue it but someone else could have. I am not badgering you.

I heard your opinion. I just wanted more information. You don't want or have it to back up so it makes it invalid to this conversation. Current data supports they do not have these mental capabilities. CURRENT data as in the limbic system grants them and they don't have one. Ergo, it's simple to come to the conclusion until further data is brought forth that they don't have the capabilities.

I hope you can follow that train of thought. It's silly to disprove everything because "not enough work has been done".

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

Clearly you're piecing together multiple conversations to make me look worse and misconstrue things. IF you'd read the whole post maybe you'd learn something or understand my points. You wanted a point. There's my point. Take it or leave it. You asked for it, I put it out there. You don't like it. Not my ****ing problem. End of story.

I don't understand assholes like you. You sit there and you badger, harass insult and accuse and when the person finally replies with something valid, you **** all over it. Please get a life.

Now who is being vulgar? ....

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

I don't understand assholes like you. You sit there and you badger, harass insult and accuse and when the person finally replies with something valid, you **** all over it. Please get a life.

Kind of like this?

[Abraxxos]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Kind of like this?

Yes actually. I'm being vulgar. Frankly I don't give a ****. I've been nice. I've refrained from being vulgar and insulting when nobody else did. I obviously can't be extended that courtesy so why should I show any of you that respect? Clearly you don't deserve it.

[smy_749]

Originally Posted by Abraxxos

Yes actually. I'm being vulgar. Frankly I don't give a ****. I've been nice. I've refrained from being vulgar and insulting when nobody else did. I obviously can't be extended that courtesy so why should I show any of you that respect? Clearly you don't deserve it.

Its not about us and our behavior that got you mad, its about your fantasy land and your ideas started to crumble when aaron explained why they don't make any sense.