Please Help - Cat Bullying

[formica]

there is not need to electrocute cats either! OMG.

these are not only horrible ways to train a cat, they show a complete lack of understanding for how a cat think and interact with one another.

negative reinforcement has been proven time and time again to be ineffective in the long term - worse still it produces negative/ damanging results in behavior modification

[Nataku]

Originally Posted by formica

there is not need to electrocute cats either! OMG.

Try on an electronic collar. Its not electrocuting them. Its not a shock. Frankly I'd be fine with them if they were just because I dislike cats that much, but e-collars just aren't that kind of device. Sadly.

They are an effective training tool. People who detract from them simply need to educate themselves more on the matter. They aren't cruel, they aren't abusive - leaving one cat to steadily torment another cat and cause it to wither away from stress and a host of injuries which will likely eventually become infected on the other hand...

[formica]

Originally Posted by Nataku

Try on an electronic collar. Its not electrocuting them. Its not a shock. Frankly I'd be fine with them if they were just because I dislike cats that much, but e-collars just aren't that kind of device. Sadly.

They are an effective training tool. People who detract from them simply need to educate themselves more on the matter. They aren't cruel, they aren't abusive - leaving one cat to steadily torment another cat and cause it to wither away from stress and a host of injuries which will likely eventually become infected on the other hand...

its exactly because you dont like cats that you consider them to be ok. a shock is electrocution, inflicting pain is an archaic form of training which does more damage to an animal than positive reinforcement - its the very reason that some dogs can switch from being sweet and kind to ripping a childs face off without provocation. basic psychology, this kind of training has been understood to be damanging for at least the last 20 years

[Nataku]

Originally Posted by formica

its exactly because you dont like cats that you consider them to be ok. a shock is electrocution, inflicting pain is an archaic form of training which does more damage to an animal than positive reinforcement - its the very reason that some dogs can switch from being sweet and kind to ripping a childs face off without provocation. basic psychology, this kind of training has been understood to be damanging for at least the last 20 years

Incorrect. But thank you for assuming.
I have used e-collars for training dogs to great effect, and have seen their results when used in training cats. That is why I consider them okay. I have also put them on myself before ever putting them on any animal to ensure that the stimulation it provides is acceptable. It is not a shock. On the low levels I can't even feel it. At the highest settings it causes a muscle twitch. At no point on me did it cause any 'shock' or actual feeling of any kind of 'pain' whatsoever.

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by formica

its exactly because you dont like cats that you consider them to be ok. a shock is electrocution, inflicting pain is an archaic form of training which does more damage to an animal than positive reinforcement - its the very reason that some dogs can switch from being sweet and kind to ripping a childs face off without provocation. basic psychology, this kind of training has been understood to be damanging for at least the last 20 years

noooopppee electrocution means death by electric shock.

Electrocution - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

[formica]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

noooopppee electrocution means death by electric shock.

Electrocution - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

you do not have to die to be electrocuted, you simply have to pass an electric current thru the body - that dictionary is wrong, try the oxford dictionary.

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by formica

you do not have to die to be electrocuted, you simply have to pass an electric current thru the body - that dictionary is wrong, try the oxford dictionary.

HAHAHAHAH he says the dictionary is wrong.....

Sounds like all of your arguments just lost a lot of validity.

[formica]

Originally Posted by Amadeus

HAHAHAHAH he says the dictionary is wrong.....

Sounds like all of your arguments just lost a lot of validity.

look it up in the Oxford Dictionary mate, the official refrence for the english language i already have, but i'll give you the pleasure of doing it for yourself