Feed Guide for Newbies (Rats v Mice) - Page 5

jarich · 05-17-13, 07:19 AM

That's an interesting assessment. This whole thread was a discussion of the topic of the nutritional contents of mice and rats. Why do you feel the OP was ignored?

jarich · 05-19-13, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Reptile_Reptile

the last 3 pages of this thread need to be deleted and the poor poster who got ignored in favor of the fight should be answered knowledgeably

This was your original post from the 4th page, wherein you say the last three pages, including the poster you feel was ignored, should be erased. I think you can probably see how your post was both misunderstood, and how it could easily be taken as a slight against all the good information contained in these pages. And if you did read the rest of the thread, then you would have seen that I and others did respond to the poster regarding his question. In other words, you seem to be the one wanting nothing but a fight, since you contributed nothing else to this thread.

Reptile_Reptile · 05-19-13, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jarich

This was your original post from the 4th page, wherein you say the last three pages, including the poster you feel was ignored, should be erased. I think you can probably see how your post was both misunderstood, and how it could easily be taken as a slight against all the good information contained in these pages. And if you did read the rest of the thread, then you would have seen that I and others did respond to the poster regarding his question. In other words, you seem to be the one wanting nothing but a fight, since you contributed nothing else to this thread.

read all of my posts i have said nothing about fighting or arguing at all really nor have i been doing anything but responding as well as i can to peoples high strung responses. and if i missed it could have just said so without the wall of text

AngieT · 05-17-13, 08:25 AM

Guess I missed out on the lurking & started posting lol!! Great to see this! Love the "no brawling, lets just look out for the critters" attitude!!

jarich · 05-17-13, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AngieT

Guess I missed out on the lurking & started posting lol!! Great to see this! Love the "no brawling, lets just look out for the critters" attitude!!

Thanks for the feedback Angie. I have to admit I was really surprised that people thought this was some sort of fight or bad thread. We were just discussing an interesting topic that often gets misinterpreted. I really hope Chris didnt stop posting here or continuing to research because of this thread.

Terranaut · 05-18-13, 07:52 AM

Seeing as that chart goes by % I think that rodentpro is considering the makeup of a 50g rat propotionately the same as a 500g rat. So according to that 10 50gm rats would equal 1 500gm rat. I could be wrong but this is what I got from the chart. I don't agree myself but have no data to back anything up so it's just my opinion. So like a pint of water is the same as a gallon. Just different amounts.

KORBIN5895 · 05-18-13, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Seeing as that chart goes by % I think that rodentpro is considering the makeup of a 50g rat propotionately the same as a 500g rat. So according to that 10 50gm rats would equal 1 500gm rat. I could be wrong but this is what I got from the chart. I don't agree myself but have no data to back anything up so it's just my opinion. So like a pint of water is the same as a gallon. Just different amounts.

Actually Dan that assumption is wrong. If you actually look at their product description you will see that their 475g+ rats are retired breeders and are fattier. I will get a link or screen shot later.

Terranaut · 05-18-13, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Actually Dan that assumption is wrong. If you actually look at their product description you will see that their 475g+ rats are retired breeders and are fattier. I will get a link or screen shot later.

Charts like this are averages and not specific. Again I think they consider the make up of most rats to be roughly the same from 50gm and up. It actually says the retired breeders may have a higher fat content. So yeah these charts generalise and are not to be taken as exact figures. I am sure if you grabbed 10 rats all the exact same weight and broke them down they would all be slightly different. So unless they have a few more headings this chary will never be complete. I still think it's great for a quick comparison between rodents but I don't there are any in depth studies that have ended in a rodent bible yet.

**Aaron_S** · 05-19-13, 02:58 PM

has anybody thought that rodentpro DID do the research on rats over 50 grams but since it was the same they decided to call 50grams an adult and end the chart there?

Has anybody asked them?

jarich · 05-19-13, 03:06 PM

Im not saying this as a slight to them, but I dont think RodentPro did any independent research. The chart they post is taken directly from an article in 2002. Here is the original:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/Who...nal02May29.pdf

Terranaut · 05-19-13, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

has anybody thought that rodentpro DID do the research on rats over 50 grams but since it was the same they decided to call 50grams an adult and end the chart there?

Has anybody asked them?

Good point !!!

KORBIN5895 · 05-19-13, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

has anybody thought that rodentpro DID do the research on rats over 50 grams but since it was the same they decided to call 50grams an adult and end the chart there?

Has anybody asked them?

Aaron, a 50g rat isn't even an adult as they wouldn't be sexually mature. Their tails aren't even fully grown!

I can't see how a still forming rat could have the same calcium as a full grown rat even by percentages.

**Aaron_S** · 05-19-13, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Aaron, a 50g rat isn't even an adult as they wouldn't be sexually mature. Their tails aren't even fully grown!

I can't see how a still forming rat could have the same calcium as a full grown rat even by percentages.

So ask the people who did the study posted above. Ask RP if they just stole their data.

Kevin and Josh, both should know to do more research instead of taking a leap of faith based on conjecture. Get to the source. Ask the source.

KORBIN5895 · 05-19-13, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So ask the people who did the study posted above. Ask RP if they just stole their data.

Kevin and Josh, both should know to do more research instead of taking a leap of faith based on conjecture. Get to the source. Ask the source.

What are you talking about Aaron? I never took a leap of faith. I have been skeptical. I am also almost positive that a 500g rat is different nutritionally than a 50g rat. Fat stores vitamins and minerals so the higher fat content would change the mineral content.

Jendee · 05-19-13, 08:58 PM

I used to feed my boa pink rats from day one, on the rats are best train. But switched to mice last season with amazing results, my babies are 10xs healthier, with less problems, better feeding responses. I now feed mice for the first 9-14 months then switched to weaned rats. I like the results I see, never been one for fast growing but my main decision changer was just how easier it is to start them and have thriving babies on mice hoppers instead of rat pinks. They switch over to rats without hesitation. Nutritionally I have no clue the numbers, just basing this off of what I see in my collection of boas
Mice to Rats and yes I occasionally feed my females a nice rabbit..