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04-10-13, 03:38 PM
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Killing Live prey
I moved the mouse killing portion of the savannah monitor skin issue thread here, carry on.....
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04-10-13, 03:59 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
Ya, I have to say I dont like feeding live mice to savannah monitors; the young ones especially. Im not concerned about their cuteness (breed mice for awhile and you stop feeling they are cute in anyway, the smelly brutal little buggers), it just takes the monitors so long to kill the mouse that it seems overly cruel. Bigger monitors can dispatch them pretty quickly but savs just arent able to get it done quickly.
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04-10-13, 04:58 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
I had a JCP that was chewed up by a live rat with a previous owner. I dont even know how she survived. She had deep scarring. But she grew to be a healthy 8 footer. I just dont like to feed live. and I think they r cute 
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04-11-13, 02:45 AM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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I had a JCP that was chewed up by a live rat with a previous owner. I dont even know how she survived. She had deep scarring. But she grew to be a healthy 8 footer. I just dont like to feed live. and I think they r cute |
more than likely this is because they left the rat/mouse in there when the snake didnt want it and the rodent decided to eat the snake, not likely its from feeding, also my sav seems to kill rat pups fairly quickly, one grab by the head and its all over. but he will take pre-killed as well, just haven't gotten to the "ok" part of killing the rats myself lol.. still working on that..
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04-11-13, 03:05 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
I occasionally feed live mice, but only due to the fact that my Sav can kill them quicker and more efficiently then I can. I make sure to position them so his first grab is the head, then one quick bang on the ground later, and the things neck is broken. I figure his way is nice and quick, so it doesn't bother me. If he wasn't able to kill them quickly though, I would not feed him live (I think they're cute and don't like to see things in pain). I would never feed live rats though- would be scared about one getting away and then attacking him (those things can be nasty and rats bite HARD!).
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04-11-13, 03:58 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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more than likely this is because they left the rat/mouse in there when the snake didnt want it and the rodent decided to eat the snake, not likely its from feeding, also my sav seems to kill rat pups fairly quickly, one grab by the head and its all over. but he will take pre-killed as well, just haven't gotten to the "ok" part of killing the rats myself lol.. still working on that..
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Hi, I hope you can still laugh about it when the monitor gets bitten, even a small live rat can cause quite a nasty wound. There`s absolutely no need to feed live rodents, and Varanids don`t always initially grab prey by the head, particularly when chasing it. Obviously pink and fuzzie mice can`t do much damage. Why not feed either f/t or f/k, you can easily euthenise them humanely yourself without any risk to your monitor or unnecessary stress to the prey?
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04-11-13, 05:08 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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I occasionally feed live mice, but only due to the fact that my Sav can kill them quicker and more efficiently then I can. I make sure to position them so his first grab is the head, then one quick bang on the ground later, and the things neck is broken. I figure his way is nice and quick, so it doesn't bother me. If he wasn't able to kill them quickly though, I would not feed him live (I think they're cute and don't like to see things in pain). I would never feed live rats though- would be scared about one getting away and then attacking him (those things can be nasty and rats bite HARD!).
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pillow case method: place rodent in old pillow case, hold by end, SLAM against the side of the counter, over in a flash.
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04-11-13, 06:03 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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pillow case method: place rodent in old pillow case, hold by end, SLAM against the side of the counter, over in a flash.
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Not quite sure if I can do that...yet.
I'm planning to try that whole baking soda and vinegar thing to see how that works. I've heard its a pretty good method? I don't like feeding live, but can't seem to bring myself to smash the little guys.
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04-11-13, 09:32 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
Just try cervical dislocation. It's really so quick and very simple. No smashing or gore or brutality; just a quick pull and it's done.
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04-12-13, 09:32 AM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
Can you inject a mouse with an empty needle to send an air bubble to the heart - stroke ? has anyone tried that before?
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04-12-13, 12:27 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Can you inject a mouse with an empty needle to send an air bubble to the heart - stroke ? has anyone tried that before?
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No and u shouldn't as its cruel and I can imagine immensely painful ...
The whole idea of dispatching a love animal is quickly and humanely ....
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04-12-13, 12:34 PM
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Re: Killing Live prey
Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.
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04-12-13, 12:39 PM
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Re: Killing Live prey
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Honestly, it cant get any easier or more humane than cervical dislocation, in my opinion. I had never tried it until Korbin kept on about it again and again, but its so quick and simple I cant imagine ever doing it any other way now. I suppose if you are talking about 50+ rodents it would take too long, but for just a normal amount it is very quick and requires no chemicals, chambers or anything. I just place the tongs over the back of the neck, pull the tail with a good yank and its over. It severs their spinal cord so they cant feel pain, and they die very quickly.
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In this I will agree ....
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04-12-13, 12:50 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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No and u shouldn't as its cruel and I can imagine immensely painful ...
The whole idea of dispatching a love animal is quickly and humanely ....
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Ah ok, yea I assumed itd be painful just wasnt sure. I never heard someone refer to a rat as a love animal, thats cute <3 hahaha :-P
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04-12-13, 01:05 PM
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Re: Savannah Monitor skin issue
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Ah ok, yea I assumed itd be painful just wasnt sure. I never heard someone refer to a rat as a love animal, thats cute <3 hahaha :-P
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Oooops ... Fell victim to auto correct ...
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