NYS seeks to criminalize reptile ownership - Page 4

shaunyboy · 02-07-13, 09:05 AM

imo most western governments are trying to take away peoples freedom,under the guise of its for your own good,we are protecting you...

just look at all the new laws implemented after 911

imo now the government has most folk groomed into thinking the government knows best,is doing it for the good of the Country,etc..

they are now going overboard with new laws and amendments,in the name of we are protecting the public

i really hope this amendment does not go through,for all you Keepers in New York

also with all the crap going on regards the reccesion,you would think picking on reptile keepers,would not be at the top of a list of things to do ?

all the best,shaun

dinosaurdammit · 02-07-13, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

imo most western governments are trying to take away peoples freedom,under the guise of its for your own good,we are protecting you...

just look at all the new laws implemented after 911

imo now the government has most folk groomed into thinking the government knows best,is doing it for the good of the Country,etc..

they are now going overboard with new laws and amendments,in the name of we are protecting the public

i really hope this amendment does not go through,for all you Keepers in New York

also with all the crap going on regards the reccesion,you would think picking on reptile keepers,would not be at the top of a list of things to do ?

all the best,shaun

You know these people have all this time to **** around and pass bs laws but our budget is still in need of balancing as well as other topics that are worth a dang. :I MERICA HECK YEA my foot. Ugh. Germany here I come.

Kettennatter · 02-07-13, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

also with all the crap going on regards the reccesion,you would think picking on reptile keepers,would not be at the top of a list of things to do ?

It's called "redirection", and I do it with my kids all the time. Are they crying because I won't take them to McD? I'm sure there is a dog in the yard I could point out to them ...

shaunyboy · 02-08-13, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kettennatter

It's called "redirection", and I do it with my kids all the time. Are they crying because I won't take them to McD? I'm sure there is a dog in the yard I could point out to them ...

to be honest mate.....

our governments getting that bad,that they don't even bother throwing some misdirection our way,no they just pass crap and say it's done,so deal with it...

imo our countrys heading for some serious uprisings,in the not so distant future

cheers shaun

infernalis · 02-07-13, 09:53 AM

Just so everyone knows, I am reading and taking all of this in.

MoreliAddict · 02-07-13, 10:38 AM

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Just so everyone knows, I am reading and taking all of this in.

Same. Good read whether you have anything to add or not. lol

blindfireak40 · 02-07-13, 09:54 AM

Hahaha Oh relax, Dinosaur, you live in Arizona! You've got another couple of decades before you really have to worry about any serious right infringement...at least I hope and pray so. Arizona is my planned refuge if stuff starts going really nuts here in CA.

dinosaurdammit · 02-07-13, 10:39 AM

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Hahaha Oh relax, Dinosaur, you live in Arizona! You've got another couple of decades before you really have to worry about any serious right infringement...at least I hope and pray so. Arizona is my planned refuge if stuff starts going really nuts here in CA.

Screw arizona- this place is crooked as the day is long, im moving back to alabama eventually, once my husband retires from the air force. In the immortal words of Jon Reep "If i wanna keep a bobcat in my coat closet IMA DO THAT"

blindfireak40 · 02-07-13, 10:59 AM

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Screw arizona- this place is crooked as the day is long, im moving back to alabama eventually, once my husband retires from the air force. In the immortal words of Jon Reep "If i wanna keep a bobcat in my coat closet IMA DO THAT"

I suppose it's all perspective...as a lifelong California resident, Arizona looks a bit like the promised land lol. Montana or Wyoming would be better, though.

Any plans for action yet, Wayne??

MoreliAddict · 02-07-13, 04:45 PM

Has anyone seen this link to petition?

New York Action Alert Assembly Bill 2869 | USARK

Akuma223 · 02-07-13, 05:19 PM

Why does it say Connecticut environmental committee in the link?

**Aaron_S** · 02-10-13, 03:42 PM

You know Wayne I made a post about the definition of domesticate and domesticated animal in another thread.

With the right argument you could argue that snakes are domesticated pets. I spoke with the councilman I mentioned earlier and he agreed that showing up and saying your piece on what you keep would be most ideal. Get some NYS friends who have reptiles to go with you.

I'd also bring the Toronto legislation with the 2 meter for lizards and 3 meter for snake law stuff too. At least that way they can feel like both sides "won" by getting something "banned".

**Aaron_S** · 02-10-13, 08:56 PM

I'll repost it here because it belongs here more....

What constitutes "domesticated" animals? By this definition in the next link, then all captive animals are "domesticated". Would 8 generations or more of captive breeding not constitute "domestication"?

Domestic | Define Domestic at Dictionary.com

If you look further into it there's "domesticated" definition. Would this not also constitutes a lot of animals kept in captivity? Yes, we have snakes that eat live prey and don't really seem to mind but how many of them tossed out in the savannah of Africa would be able to hunt and live for a long time? I know many of our morphs would be dead within the first 12 hours.

Domesticate | Define Domesticate at Dictionary.com