Het albino retic question - Page 5

Squirtle · 11-27-12, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Yea I may need that lesson after all....

Maybe I should start another thread I kind of hijacked this one....

But no need to stop now I guess (Wayne, Alesia you can move this to a new thread if you want I'm just too lazy to start another one)

So I have a normal male, he was sold to me AS a normal male no hets or anything but he's greenish. When I asked a breeder about it he said my normal *could* be the result of a clutch with other morphs in it which would mean it would be het for a gene that other siblings in his clutch would have been visual representations of... Right?

The only way to tell for sure would be to breed him out. But not knowing what he could be shmushed with how would I decide what to breed him to? (I'm not actually going to breed him I'm just working through a mental exercise) and then see what pops out

No, it's completely fine. I actually learned a few things in this thread! I have a question though: Do you guys know why purple albino retics are more expensive than lavender albinos if lavender x lavender produce all three? Whereas purple x purple only makes purples.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Squirtle

No, it's completely fine. I actually learned a few things in this thread! I have a question though: Do you guys know why purple albino retics are more expensive than lavender albinos if lavender x lavender produce all three? Whereas purple x purple only makes purples.

The look. People probably prefer it.

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:00 PM

Fire and platinum are the same thing in retics, its just Bob giving his "line" a different name. They both can produce Ivories, Ultras, and Leucies, but you're more likely to get an Ultra or Leucy from an Ivory x Ivory or Ivory x Platinum pairing.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Fire and platinum are the same thing in retics, its just Bob giving his "line" a different name. They both can produce Ivories, Ultras, and Leucies, but you're more likely to get an Ultra or Leucy from an Ivory x Ivory or Ivory x Platinum pairing.

Another pet peeve of mine. HATE when people give their own lines brand new names. There's at least 3 yellowbelly lines. The "yellowbelly", the "bling" and the "goblin". Oi vey.

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:03 PM

mykee took a look at some pictures and said he was just a nice looking normal which is fine I guess... I got him from big al's so who knows who hatched him...

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

mykee took a look at some pictures and said he was just a nice looking normal which is fine I guess... I got him from big al's so who knows who hatched him...

In our neck of the woods. There's a few breeders who wholesale to them.

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:07 PM

... I doubt I can call him and be like "hey, remember in 2009 when you hatched a clutch of BPs and then got rid of a bunch of normals to Big Al's? is mine a het? Great thanks awesome"

so I guess I will never know

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:11 PM

@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

I am really interested in genetics, I just cant easily grasp them. The only snake of mine I considered breeding would be either my BCI or my ATB

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

read my previous post about hets ;-)

the one below?

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

Really? Most breeders, even the little guys, I've seen/spoken with always sell poss hets as poss hets, sometimes at a discounted price or in a group just to get them sold. I dunno, just my observation.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

the one below?

Really? Most breeders, even the little guys, I've seen/spoken with always sell poss hets as poss hets, sometimes at a discounted price or in a group just to get them sold. I dunno, just my observation.

Waste of time. It's called wholesale normals.

In the ball world that is.

I never had problems selling hets when starting out. 100% with paperwork. All it takes.

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:16 PM

Ah, yeah if the breeder whole sold him then he's most likely just a possible het for something or a normal (if he was the non-visual sibling to a co-dom or dom breeding). Sometimes co-dom/dom siblings show some of the visual traits of their siblings but don't actually carry the gene. I don't know of any BPs that have this, but there are Jaguar sibling carpets which look a bit different, and Sunfire sibling retics, and I'm sure there are more.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:22 PM

most of the time people refer to Jaguar Siblings its there way of telling you its not a pure snake:

IJ JAG SIBLING!! translates to: Non morph mut Irian Jaya x Coastal

They look different because of the crosses. No gene, no difference :-) Hets can be visual hets, see prior discussions about pieds and markers. Also Het Red in ball pythons are quite distinct, and even react with other genes.

@Bug: If you just want to play with genetics on the cheap get the fruit flies, they have a few different mutations you can get, they are cheap, breed quick and easy, and you can see genetics in good numbers to show transfer percentages and all that :-)

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:27 PM

They all make potions with Mojaves, but its a different complex. It's not a BEL. . . come come now!

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:30 PM

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They all make potions with Mojaves, but its a different complex. It's not a BEL. . . come come now!

I said related. The fact they make a super makes them related. Means they lie somewhere upon the same allele.

With the lesser they make WHITE snakes. How is that not related or in the same complex?